Transcript for Part A:
7:00 p.m..Dustin Gibson - “How Looking Up Can Change Your Life”
let me share okay
I can change first of all to Syria
yeah we had a little technical difficulty but we're back live
7:15 p.m..Maxi Falieres - “Outreach in Argentina and Capturing the Mystic Mountain”
at this point uh with Cesar Brello okay but now I uh your let me stop to
share yeah we can see the share we could we no
7:30 p.m..Robert Reeves - “Postcards from the Moon”
yeah yeah I prefer no no no no so I just wanted to tell the audience
we had a technical difficulty we lost uh connection I'm not sure exactly what
7:45 p.m..Ten Minute Break
happened but uh but now do we have uh I I you can see
7:55 p.m..Seth Shostak - “Life in the Universe”
you can watch me yes okay okay
yes we are watching yes I moved the tennis court to sirius again okay
show me serious see you soon oh serious beat
8:10 p.m..Molly Wakeling - “Astronomolly”
with this field I think that no maybe next week right now yes yes
it's really far separated yeah the first thing that I'm making now
8:25 p.m..Marcelo Souza - “Astronomy Outreach in Brazil”
named the star and I choose serious
scenes okay moving okay
8:40 p.m..Cesar Brollo - “Astronomy from Buenes Aires”
oh you're my being oh you're okay okay and now
I share the screen and you're serious
8:55 p.m..Adrian Bradley - “Night Scapes”
yes but serious is
no no no I think that is
9:10 p.m..Jon Schwartz - “Drawing Out the Universe”
the s in the back of the the building yeah yes
yes
m46 no yes now we can we can choose another one
[Music] we are choosing
by stellarium something over let me try
with here in this area
[Music] we can try here NGC 2437
that's an open yes um
possible to to watch FM 46 is like in this year
it wouldn't pick up the planetary in in a single shot huh exactly but yes maybe
maybe the planetarium Society the cluster is to find
watching a single shot but okay
okay this is for the people the telescope moving I am here
it's not the screen and we can challenge
Molly moves that she does has four going at once could you imagine
yeah unbelievable um I don't have to imagine I've seen it in
action wow like the four quarters it is very impressive
well here we have the cluster you can see yes
it's very nice change a little
the game and exposure
look that star yeah I'm still there
in this area we have two two um different uh planetary nebula but
hard to find is to find here is one of this and maybe
in this area is another one but the magnitude is nine is around nine as you
can see um really it's not easy
dying lower you have a little more of contrast no it's much better
more looks like it's tracking really good too
yes yes fortunately the tracking is okay in 10 seconds it's okay it's great you
know I I am in the balcony and the the space is small
um but it's great well we can I can choose
another one yes 10 seconds it gets brighter and
brighter you can see that that is my the area is very small
portion of the style is really small let me let me
[Music] change the string and
share and I'll change again to stellarium
to make another choose of
well m47 is okay I think
for seven ah it's okay 47 is now so helmets Maybe
um so maybe through Hermits if it's not
so from there those are much higher guy huh yes I think that this one
butterfly Maybe
so when you uh when you do the run sorry
tell me tell me go ahead yes you have to plan your night because
those buildings can wreak havoc on your absolutely
yes yes you need to to make a plan because it's is really when you are
choosing something
we can we can try with 24 with this
you can try let me let me try
to see [Music]
zero nine okay
it's a clear part of the sky we are changing the Caesar we have something
yeah it's a question uh what software are you running to control the telescope
software of of Celestron for ruling the telescope or
rolling development but the software that you can see
that you can see is a shark cap for the image I say
are you a CWS tracking might have stopped again yes but it's it's tracking I don't know
why because it's okay
I'm trying with a I don't know why because no no it's something like like it's
something ah okay because I I can see that it's tracking now now
okay
sometimes when we're viewing objects straight up with the big dab you're in
Dobson hole and it's really hard to get that object in there yeah you know 10
feet off the ground
this is crazy because it's something where I don't know because it's the
striking perfectly but
it's a really good I can I can see
an instruction what
I don't know why because if I started to make a a light stack
that we can we can try
um I don't know well I can change okay I don't know why
the picture is is as like a not no tracking but I think that is a something
of the memory of the computer you know that don't show the new one
[Music]
okay well sorry guys but I can't I can try
more because it's maybe maybe this setup I I uh try uh next week I try in the
week to have more uh services because the camera is new and
maybe something that that I can I I changed the maybe the software that
managed the camera or I can use a software like Nina or another one it's
all together um I but tonight I I'll took a lot of
pictures of open clusters um IL process
uh I'll start to process uh tomorrow to show you next week and
um I'll show you uh more live image because tonight tonight I wanted to say
hi because it's working I want to say this is real amateur
astrophotography sometimes we don't know what happens sometimes these things happen you know
but we fix them and we come again yeah so that's just the part of the uh
real thing you know maybe maybe in a few minutes all the
start to to work again but well I can show you one one cluster
tonight and it's okay um
but it's something that that um yes it's like you tell me it's a real
situation for a Mother's Army this is because it's fun because you've never
never have the all completely resolved anything is in many many years that I
make as a photography and observations this is normal this is the normal
situation sometimes you can make some pictures uh if you don't have
clusters you know we have some technical problems or something to say Okay I I
don't understand why now because it's working the the flow all is perfect and
don't don't show any any kind of of problems but
I don't know why we need to get Nico over here for a minute yes absolutely
absolutely absolutely Nico he doesn't need you know that picture was mindful
well you know when when when you were doing things in front of people you know you hope for everything to go Flawless
and perfect yeah but I do have you know run into uh uh to issues you know so and
often you know you got you know doing astrophotography it is always
typically a complex setup you know so yes absolutely because you have a lot
of different things a lot of things exactly yes to fail that's right that's right yeah and let's
just layer on top of it you're trying to do a live stream and yeah you know so
the pressure's on but no it's cool um we we all we've all been through it
and um uh you know and and this is how you know that this program is live so
yes absolutely absolutely it's happened many times yes I love you
very much it's a pleasure it's a pleasure thank you I know that that you
and the people uh uh understand things sorry but it's something that
next week I'll I'll show you more things and maybe I have some problems you know
no problem no problem okay okay thank you very much okay take care have a good
night thank you good evening okay so
um John hello yeah your your head's a little cut
off here at the top let me let me readjust I was just let's put you here
in the middle of the Milky Way there there you go well yeah I'm out here at um Amboy crater this is a great shot
Adrian I hope you're there still but uh it's a little chilly out here so I had
to put this shirt on but I forgot my dad to put this shirt on normally you go shirtless yeah so well
you know it's the desert so it's warmer here of course beautiful day today it was
absolutely gorgeous in California um windy clear crystal clear you know
and they're predicting the storm should be here in the morning so I figured another storm really
another one oh my gosh so we've been getting you know the rain we need out
here and it cleared the sky I mean I had the most incredible view of M51 uh the
other night and um the transparency was just unbelievable you know and it's like
with astronomy you know you have to check your clear sky clock and make sure
your weather's good but sometimes it just it doesn't add up what they tell
you and and you get a great View and uh that's kind of what happened so
it was really nice to get that after months and months of rain I think the last time I really went out was in
September or October right October yeah so that I think that they're they
were they were calling rivers of rain uh that were coming into California and so
far you guys have already I think you've had 12 of them or something like that so yeah there's more coming which you know
wow it's great you know I hope you know Vegas gets that Aqueduct full
because uh that thing was like almost empty they were finding some crazy stuff
out there yeah old cars and and all kinds of stuff you know from the early days
but the rain was a gift you know we really needed it I think um Mother Earth
is giving us what we need thank you yeah
so uh I have quite a few pictures here let's
uh start with you know I really like that owl nebula that um Molly was doing
yeah this was um this is actually a sketch of mine I wanted to show
so that was uh y'all looking uh we had a good night that night 32 in the 28 it has a little
color to it um but that is a great nebula and and a
fun one to see you know Ursa Major has so many great things in it uh between
the galaxies and and then that planetary that's an amazing planetary
to look at so I was hoping she'll get that done and
we can um we can see that you know when she's finished because that's an that
should be an amazing picture yeah at the end of the day
so I'm gonna put a few more together here and try to get them in order
so I I took my granddaughter uh when when I was looking at the moon in
the backyard I took her out back with me and the wife and we were looking at uh
the moon we saw the eclipse one night uh and she would she was going the Moon
the Moon and it was the most precious thing to see her you know enjoying that looking
at the moon sure and and um you know again having your granddaughter to look at stuff it's
quite amazing yeah yeah yeah and and um you know that's really where I want to
excel to see her is when you know when she gets a little bigger I
can take her up to the mountain and um show her a lot of this stuff
first hand and we can really start to interact and I can teach her all about
space and the heavens and yeah you'll be oh yeah I'm so excited about that you
know kids learn so fast you know it's amazing and uh
late at night and look through a telescope oh yeah she's but she's kind
of uh she liked it you know this one we're looking at uh the moon on this one
um I had it in the daytime because I wanted to you know show her some it was sunset of course yeah I wanted to show
her and there's another one with her oh yeah and that's the wife and that's your
wife yeah yep she looks like she's loving every minute of it here yeah and uh she was going the
moon and that's the that's the picture I was able to put together that night wow so yeah that's an amazing um I think
that's Plato is a crater [Music]
in the shadows and look at that giant boulder it's absolutely amazing how big
uh some of the boulders are on the moon and this is another shot that I did and
if you recall last month that was um similar to what we saw at Mount Wilson
but this is mine through that nine and a quarter that's Archimedes crater over
there yeah and keematarus I think I can't remember the name when you zoom back it looks it just looks photographic
I mean it's really yeah that's uh that's the digital you know that's the ability uh and gaussian blurs
allow you to smooth out your uh texture which is a neat thing
uh that's the eclipse from that one night uh the total one we
had the blood moon the the last one it was a very good one
by the way very long for a change this is me in my element there's the
nine and a quarter again and uh the portable at Mount Pinos
getting ready to uh do some work you know have fun look at the heavens sketch some things
out and uh here's a close-up as you see I might look like an animal a
little alien there yeah because I am an alien uh if you would think about this
universe and and we're humans and I mean to anyone else we would be considered an
alien and um I'm proud to be one I'm proud to
be here and uh have access to this equipment you think about it though I
mean we have people in space in our space station yeah 24 hours a day seven days a week
year round you know and uh you know so we are a space-faring
species in that regard and we've got our appliances all over the solar system
villagers are out there you know uh the New Horizon spacecraft is still working
and uh still collecting data you know so
I think that someday you know we'll probably be out there get out you know way out
once we figure out you know the technology I think every year it gets
better and better you know the stuff that is getting figured out
um it's sure nice to have all this great equipment and uh be able to do this to look at that you know uh the Splendor of
the Milky Way when you're under it and you look at it it's so Grand in the in
the color and you just feel connected it's like so amazing to get out and experience it
from a dark sky site like Adrian's yeah you know uh John I was watching a
documentary about uh mountain climbers and all of them you know as they're as
they're climbing these mountains and stuff like that some of them some of them are free climbers they they climb
these incredibly crazy vertical uh reaches without ropes you know and uh
they they say the sense of calm and peace that comes over them you know I
think that a lot of astronomers feel that you know once they are because they're all getting into this state of
flow you know and uh and that is something that all of us try to get back
to one way or the other you know especially in this nervous you know
crazy fast-paced we live in you know um yeah we need to reconnect with nature
as much as possible and those mountain climbers do it uh by you know putting
their hands and their feet on the cliff and realizing if they slip that's it you know it's amazing the places that they
do it are all like the most awesome places to do astronomy yeah oh that's
true visually uh could you imagine looking at doing Milky Way shots from
the top of Mount Everest I mean yeah you would be touching the heavens from there
well almost all of those documentaries include shots of you know time lapse of
the Milky Way Rising behind the mountains and stuff like that and so you know all of those people that are out
there uh you know doing this uh are also connecting with the sky you know so
you know the Milky Way when uh when I'm out doing public star parties and I show
people an edge on Galaxy like 45 65 or
891. yeah and then I tell them or even M82 especially the cigar Galaxy in Ursa
Major it's a starburst Galaxy it's feeding at a very rapid rate and it
can't digest all the uh Stars it's eating so it spits them back out the plasma and um but anyway when you look
at those galaxies and you see that dust Lane I explain to people that you're looking at the Milky Way in the same way
that you just saw that edge on Galaxy that's 30 million light years away but
you're here inside the arm looking in at the center of our galaxy that's right
and you're like right up close and it's like so wonderful to compare that to
like a real good Edge on Galaxy and and then when they put it together you know
when you feel that understanding and you realize it just you get like a real cool
just feeling because you're looking at that Dallas you know like wow so we're right here and that one was way back out
there yes so yeah it's great I'm just that's why I love this Hobby and there's so
much that you can uh connect you know back to you with uh with our Scopes you know and
even naked eye you don't even need an instrument but so this was one uh merko
did I wanted to share it it's Tycho the Creator oh this isn't an image right this yeah
this is yeah this is merko shot I just did a little uh
just to make the craters pop so you see how much that thing must have hit that thing
really and and you can see the curvature of the mood that's got to be one of the biggest creators around
oh yeah I think the the bottom of the moon is worse and that's uh the same
thing that I did in the style of like a Claude Monet you know the the great painter uh French
painter so it's uh the crater on lily pads in a you know in a pond
just was having fun so that that Tycho crater
is 85 kilometers in diameter that's 53 miles
across so I think if you were standing at the
edge if you were at the edge of of uh Tycho
you might have a tough time seeing the other side I don't know you know you'd have to take in the
curvature or the moon into account and uh
I wonder if you're at the Top If You Could See the other side
am I back am I back you're back is that me I don't know what happened it just
froze this is really crazy stuff I had a crazy night that's right yes we have
okay uh I gotta get back to my jeez yeah
I was talking about the you know the size of Taiko crater which is okay yeah I heard miles across so
um you know and I I was I was wondering you know if you were standing at the
edge of the crater looking out you know uh would you see the other side of it
um how many miles is that crater across is it like 57 53 53
um yes you could but you know oh they're smaller than the earth right so that's the tough question
I I would be yeah the moon's smaller so then there's no way that would be a good question for Robert Reeves you know yes
that's a real good one there because you you can't I mean wow because like on the John
Hancock we're trying to see a hundred miles you know the building in Chicago yeah and uh we could only see you know
so far because the haze it was so hazy that day and um we had a real hard time seeing
you know far but I would say well somebody out there might know the answer to that question right I'm checking
right now okay so let's go with some more there's my
little buddy again you know he's in every shot uh on some of my moon paintings because he's always there with
me and it got chilly so I had to put a sweater on poor guy
Dan brought him in on the couch he's better now yeah
but he's he's the best dog because you know he doesn't complain when I'm out
there doing my hobby he just wants to be there and he lets me do my thing and I walk him around he's a great great
friend for astronomy oh yeah this is a painting I did so
um I'm gonna go back a few years uh with my father who would always take me to
these great places and and he took me to Argentina and uh yeah you mentioned you were in
Patagonia Patagonia and and um I have to say it was one of the most
beautiful trips I ever took to see that Sky down there and and everything that
they offer and and the beautiful waterfalls and the mountains the Andes
when we flew in I was I was looking at corvus uh the constellation I could see
it and I could see um it was totally in a different place I was almost lost but anyway to get back
to where I was saying is my dad took me to zuatanejo and this is the the little
Bay that we were hanging out in uh we'd fish early in the morning and we'd come in and they would have these huge fires
and cook these great you know meals we'd wrap the fish and Palm leaves and eat
and um yeah they were like primitive fishermen look at their boat and and that was like the sun rising
that morning so it was so that we're going fishing cool and then that this was at night
another night when uh we landed there we went down to
the beach from the hotel and uh this was the first view we had was the moon setting across the bay and
the waves crashing and it was just unbelievable so I painted this years later
um from you know memory of it and uh it was just a magical place and a
magical Sky everything it's wonderful to see those
yeah this was another one uh this was another trip we took and and the moon
was setting and uh this one I really liked it was a very
special trip and uh the stars were unbelievable uh that trip
probably because I was getting bigger and I I knew what they were so I wanted to watch I I only use binoculars but you
know you you can do a lot of great observing with just a pair of binoculars you'd be surprised uh when you and
they're easy to carry so they're ready at any moment right so that was that was a good picture you could even see the
Earth Shine On The Moon it was crystal clear another flower shot I'd like to throw
one in here and there these are walking my dog I just get blessed to see these
and I love to share them uh you know mother nature and and you know it's unbelievable the extent of
uh creation and Beauty and color it's just amazing to
see uh every day and you know I just keep looking up on this one I look down but
usually up this is the 30 I was talking about wow that's a big scope look at that yeah it says the same
same Maker's mind so there's a chance I could end up with this uh it's only two
inches bigger but it is an F5 so that's a 150 inch focal length 30 inch so if
you go with Zenith in this you're going to need it like an 18 foot ladder
is on that one uh that's a standard two inch feather touch
you you don't get the three inch on a Dom until your norm and they're building
the explore scientific yeah you need to put a three-inch Focus yeah
times 25.4 it's 3810 millimeters vocal length
yeah that's like bigger than a c14 right and so we have a 100 degree 30
millimeter okay and so you divide that by 30 that gives
you 127 magnification 127 that eyepiece could get a roughly a
0.8 degrees wow it's almost a degree what could you put in there what what would
be an object that you can't actually
because it's bigger than the moon yeah right that's that's crazy yeah
wow now things like the triffid
um oh uh Orion the Orion Abdullah would look pretty awesome in it you know
didn't you use one at um at the 60 one of those three inch ones
yeah that's what I I remember yeah that's still you know that is such a long vocal length in that 60s yeah
that's the 100 uh what was that it's hundreds of magnification I was right
exactly what the it's amazing how much that that thing was um when they told when someone told
me what it was actually running at like a low low power eyepiece is like some insane like sensors
and size eyepieces for that telescope I mean it's amazing you know astronomy is
a crazy thing like tonight we got stricken with a lot of weird tactical stuff and these things always happen you
know a lot of guys use a push stop you know oh I never have trouble and then then uh something freezes up or the
mirror gets dirty or you know there's always something or the weather some connector drive or something
it's part of the game you know Murphy's Law you just have to you know get get through the things and and the reward is
you just get the best views you've ever seen and um so this was a night that you
know I wanted to do something but the moon again was cloudy and then the
sunset came and it just kind of went transparent and there was this a red
just beautiful Crimson clouds and and the moon was just peeking through and so
I I put this one together and this was a cloudy night and I actually liked it yeah it's beautiful one of the fellas
said you know you just taught me something he goes I went inside and said I'm not going to do anything tonight
because it's cloudy and then I saw this and I regret that I didn't stay outside
and I told him you know that's what's so great about these pictures you can see
things even though you don't have a view you know tonight so you can you know look at somebody else's work
and stuff so that's great I'll tell you a story I've told it on global star party before but
uh when Halley's Comet was at its peak in California we had a um
uh it started to rain you know oh no
I just go you know I I had this big job sunny and it was a
Coulter dob and I had Surf Racks that I would Mount the telescope up on top of
this car and uh it looked like a jet engine
coming off of off the top of the car and uh anyway so I just go look I'm just
gonna go try to see this thing anyways you know I was just driven um and so I I told some a couple of
friends you know come with me uh we're gonna go try to see this thing you know and so we drove out to as far out as I
could okay to where I knew that the comet would be up you know and it was
this kind of short window uh but it's still raining and my telescope's getting
wet you know I throw the mirror into the scope because the mirror you know could come out pretty easily and so I throw
the mirror in the scope water's running down my tubes oh you know the the
mirrors starting to get wet okay and uh so I throw in I only had like a 32
millimeter airful eyepiece you know if you guys remember when
laughs and John the clouds part no just for a
few minutes and Hallie's comments right there okay and so I got this great View
at the best that it was going to be seen in Southern California for just a few minutes my friends got to see it we all
you know confirmed yeah this is it and uh and after we were done looking you
know it is the classes went like that and shows over you know and I took my
telescope home and and it never rains in California yeah
except when there's something you want to see yeah and that's that's the real bad part is when you wake up after being
up all night and someone says you better get your scope inside it's raining yeah yeah like okay text they get those rain
rain parties oh yeah that bursts of rain out there in the plains that's true
always that's a great shot yeah John oh yeah that that was um My Little
Adventure you know I do mine it's more of uh just a public outreach program I
don't charge for this because you know for me I just like to to give
it to to people because I have this great instrument and um you know I've
been doing it a long time and and people always ask me you know stuff because I got the scope and this was at Mount
Pinos it was a great start party years ago and uh this guy goes John I gotta
get a shot of you and uh he did the the Milky Way tracker stuff where they have
a dolly on on Rails and they do that time lapse he was doing uh work uh
Stephen Conifer was his name did some amazing work and uh this was
one of the shots that he did for me and uh that's Mount Pinos again
yeah so it looks really cool it looks like a uh looks like a record album or
something you know so well it was uh the stars and and then you know the heavens
that's my song [Laughter] I mean it's so unbelievable to be out
there under the yeah dark sky site when you get out there and you're under the stars it's like when we would drive up
to the mountain we'd be like we couldn't bear to wait any longer we're like we
got to get up here man I remember my buddy almost drove off the side of the the he missed the on-ramp almost because
we were looking at the stars and then he went on yeah that's a lesson to all you astronomers out there and you're going
out stargazing keep your eyes on the road yeah don't be looking at seriously
way as you're driving up the mountain yes I'll tell you what it was unbelievable when when you get out there
and I'd never been to Dark Skies like that since I was a kid you know but it was unbelievable I got a couple more so
this was from the other night this is my newest version of this uh this is 51. I
was getting the best view uh the transparency you know was just uh
probably the best it's been in a while you know I think that the volcanism
might have something to do with with the sky and a lot of people have noticed
that it uh the Sequim that reading you know the dark sky that people use you
know Caesar was talking about it oh yeah so you know Don penzak had mentioned uh
that he's been recording the squims and it over the last two years it's actually
gotten brighter but that you know they've had a lot of those LED lights but um you know it's a combination of
probably the smoke and the moisture and all the stuff dust in here and probably my brain
really made this guy a lot more transparent yeah so this is really you know and this wasn't Mount Pinos this is
uh Ojai is what I was getting this from you know it's basically facing Mount
Pinos if you're looking at um M51 and the moon was out but uh there were
some high clouds and I I had a chance to stay up late and this thing was up all
night so I got a great look at it really really proud of that one it's
probably the best it was better than last week's right
yeah the spirals are really and that that other Galaxy you know with the big
telescope like that or you know you can get the same thing using a nice refractor like that those uh there were
a couple guys that had that uh 80 millimeter I think triplet one carbon
fire APO and and uh he was sitting down and I had my scope and and he was taking
pictures and and uh his picture rivaled Mine what you could see in the eyepiece
so you know it's good to do have all the equipment uh you know there's
learning curve takes more time to do the photography but it's a great reward and
they're all tools to um get the best result and learn the most you can about
this stuff because you know we're lucky to have this equipment now uh not
everybody had equipment like this back in the day oh yeah that's right this is just a closer this
was a little thing I did it's actually the triffid nebula if you look at it right that's the
triffid okay it's just a an abstract uh like uh oh yeah Italian style painting
looks like uh looks like monks and red clothes right it was just a little fun
thing I did um you know and that was from uh the picture that I had I could probably put
that up uh just to close it show you again the real one that I used uh
it was incredible that murkrow took through the uh 28.
and that that was you know what it was created from I see
so yeah Marco is a great astrophotographer yes and uh I'm gonna
invite him he'll be coming yes I'm gonna pin him down and I'm also trying to get
Andrew uh he's a big time Sketcher on cloudy nights really great uh what he
does and that's his specific is sketching through the telescope
and uh direct eyepiece views you know because what the the direct eyepiece
view will show you is like a real view uh what you can expect to see
at at a Star Party and um you know you have to study these
objects you can't just look in the audience go oh that's it you know because your eye takes quite a amount of
time to dark adapt to get your receptors your rods and cones and you know
sometimes I even use a little cloak and I'll tell people put this over your head it's it's a piece of duvetine or just
pull your hood over and shield the peripheral light and then and close your eyes for like a minute just and let your
eyes get really dark and then open them and stay covered on your peripheral and look in the eyepiece and you'll see a
lot more yeah and it's a great trip and relax yeah and relax you know so I had
um I had my eyes uh recently I had my eyes dilated with my eye doctor I'd just
get an eye checkup and I asked him to measure my eyes when they were fully dilated
and with the uh with the uh whatever it
is the the drug or whatever it is they put yeah the drops yeah the drops that
dilate your eye like that uh my eyes dilated to about six and a half millimeters wow yeah I'm 63 so that's
pretty good but he said on the average he said your eyes are probably you know
dark adapted um probably about six you know okay I'm
happy with that you know yeah I mean a lot of times everybody says oh you're over you're over 40 years old you're out
it's only dilate to five you know but um I've always had pretty good night vision and uh but I recommend if you're a
visual astronomer uh you know go get your eyes checked anyways you probably
if you haven't done it in a while you need to do it and um you know get checked for glaucoma or
whatever and ask the doctor to check your you're fully dilated eye you know
and that's how you choose that's how you can choose the lowest power uh eyepiece
that you should be using right telescope so I can I can elaborate more on that so
now I haven't gotten glasses because I'm stubborn in my mind I feel like if I get
those glasses my eyes are going to adjust that then they're just going to get weaker and weaker and weaker yeah
let's see I'm I'm with you I'm the same way you know and uh but you know I lost
I lost my cat's eye I used to be able to I think I'm still can see really good I
can still see um so I saw Stefan's Quintet and I had to verify this in that five
inch uh the old Celestron F7 I think it was okay a telephoto and I have a
diagonal it's super Sharp I got it uh from Mark penderson that used to work at
wooden Hills remember Mark oh yeah sure yeah so uh Mark uh sold it to me and
it's unbelievable but I saw Stefan's in there and this was uh just like a year
and a half ago so I think my eyes are doing good but you know I found Jones
one uh with uh my 18 I had it memorized in
Pegasus and and an astrophotographer said no no that's impossible you can't see it and uh I go it's in there I had a
filter and he put his camera on there and did a quick short and it was there
and he verified it yeah yeah and then I raced him to um m
M2 M2 we we looked at M5 m2s close
so I did it with a uh five millimeter eyepiece I didn't change it out and I
did a go-to basically but it was a push to there's a one in a
million shot but yeah it's pretty good but uh my my thing is I think uh as you
get older you're when you like like I have a 30 millimeter I have a little
trouble with the higher power with my eye uh keeping the edge of the field
sharp you know the paracore has helped but it um I get a spherical aberration a little
curvature you know because my eye has um deteriorated a little bit my eyesight
and that's that's where I really notice it is on the wide field eyepieces
no yeah and uh so like you said you should get them checked and um
I I was able to figure it out that through a checkup that that's why is
because my eyes I guess my exit pupil what does that mean it gets it closes
smaller or then then when I was younger well that's what they say you know I
mean uh so a number that we throw around
in the industry that if you're over 40 years old that maybe your eyes won't dialate more than five millimeters well
there's nothing to base that on really you know because everybody is different you know
um so there there are ways to measure you know there there's uh the uh method
of taking uh Allen wrenches you know metric Allen wrenches all right and holding them up to your cheek so that
the bar is just right up next to your eye and you you get it and Allen wrench that
just just starts to totally blank out you know and that's your your that's a good
trick so that's that's one way of doing it uh uh you know but you know if you
want to get hyper accurate with it have your eye doctor do it you know so right you know so that that's that's the deal
well that those 100 degree eyepieces help a lot because it flattens the field
and and the the what they're 92 degree
those are really comfortable you know they've got like 20 millimeters of eye relief on them and the the eye relief is
better for me you know because it just opens up I get the full field and it's
sharp to the edge that's what's so nice about those I really like them and um
too bad they didn't make a 30. yeah it would be a big huge High Keys
you know but uh but yeah it too would be a three inch you know because you have
to have that Big Field lens in there
uh thank everybody for hanging in who's ever left after all of our technical
difficulties that's right I gotta explain that that's uh unusual situation
for everyone yeah but um hopefully we hung in as watching on YouTube I think
it's Andrew corkell and he says Scott can we use those drops before a Star
Party [Laughter] that's a great idea yeah maybe I should
sell a kit you know or something you know I'm sure anyways I need the X-ray glasses if you
get those made up let's get those going yeah that's right hey Andrew yeah so uh
I do want to thank all the presenters uh that came on um you know we had a great lineup
um you know the uh the group was of course Carrie letelier
uh you know she was our co-host tonight and so we want to thank congratulations too for that that's a big one yeah
Astronomy Picture of the Day uh David Levy uh was on Don knabb
you know David eicher with his uh Dave's exotic deep Sky objects but also kind of
tutoring us on you know the science scientific process you know what's the difference between an idea a hypothesis
a theory and a scientific law you know so
um it's interesting that uh you know scientific fact never actually worked in
there because you know you get a observation that is really
compelling you know uh that goes against you know everything else that's out
there um then sometimes they have to go back to the drawing board
those type of things the hypothesis determines the um actual
determination of yeah so in a hypothesis you would have done you would have taken
an idea and you would have done some experiments okay to support you know
make the hypothesis stronger you know so it's kind of like in hindsight you know
it's not really a hypothesis until you've kind of fleshed some of these things out and then people start to look
at them uh you're starting to maybe get some peer review uh things going but
then it gets stronger and your experiments better and uh you know and
they're different experiments looking you know maybe at different wavelengths using different things maybe combining
radio observations with you know some sort of you know you know light spectrum
observation um you know and you know I mean they have
so many uh Advanced ways to you know speckle interferometry I mean all kind
you know uh all kinds of ways to uh measure and look at things but once
you've got you know you're working all this together and every time you keep coming up with the same kind of
conclusion yeah that starts to make it into a theory okay and
um so and theories uh you know and so as David eicher said once once it gets into the
theory stage if you're practicing scientist you don't just throw out a theory you
have to you know that's that's kind of the thing that you're uh and that is
but you know if your experiment proves the theory wrong
yeah then that's that experiment has to be repeatable okay and then you're going
to have a debate yeah the other ways to look at it going okay well if looking at it this
way uh refutes the theory okay well when we look at it this way it should also
repeat the theory you know so it's not like that but once you do in the and the
theories crushed you know it's back to the drawing board again right so
and these these things I mean they go on for years and years decades
you know and so we're still working on Einstein's theories you know right and
So eventually um I believe that though that you know
relatively will become a scientific law you know so
um yeah so we had Dustin Gibson on from opt you know he talked about the tedx
speaking experiment experiment experience he wants me to do a TED Talk and I'm
like stumbling all over my words and stuff like that um uh Maxi filari's of course is on with
us uh Maxi's uh uh images and his
experience in in being in an amateur astronomer in Argentina starting off
with like the most modest of of equipment you know it's just you know a modified cell phone and that's amazing I
think he had a 114 reflector or something to start off with um Robert Reeves you know expert on the
moon and stuff it would have been it would be cool to take like some of your drawings and match those up to some of
Robert Reeves photographs and just you know what you're seeing what he's grabbing I gotta know the question
though the crater how can you see across it yeah we gotta ask that question yeah
Seth shostak popped in um uh you know and uh uh it was great to
hear his take on uh life in the universe uh we want to thank Seth for taking the
time to do that uh he is scheduled to be a co-host next week
um for the 118th Global star party I'll probably you know
uh his talks take a little bit more time I think I'm going to make sure that he
gets that time next week uh Molly Wakeling of course on with another
astronomally uh presentation and you know uh grabbing live images for us of
the El nabila Marcelo Souza you know he's he does this IM double a uh it's
the international um I always forget what the acronym is but it's I thought it was I'm an
astronomer [Laughter]
that's right astronomer yes that's right
uh you know uh I don't know how many people watching
the program know this but uh Marcelo was trained as a cosmologist you know and so
he's he does really know this stuff and um uh
gets really deep into it he has a PHD he hates hates to have people call him Dr
Souza you know I think the doctor's in yeah yeah yeah but he he used every bit
of that uh Cesar brolo who uh we love to have on uh whether his equipment's
working or not so um but uh you know he he got to work for
a little while and then we started watching and it's like somebody's looking over your shoulder and you know that's when all everything goes Haywire
Adrian Bradley um you know showing us beautiful nightscapes as he always does and of
course you John so thank you
yeah it's great it's so fun to share uh you know I just want people to know uh
this summer to try to get out and the planets are going to come they're all going to line you heard like this is
coming again everybody's asking me and there's going to be some great views
so uh get some instruments uh get some good eyepieces and and show your friends
and family yeah all right that's what I'm going to be doing get anything and get you know dig your telescope if you
had a telescope up in the attic dig it out you know even if it's a a small 60 millimeter refractor you know you can
still do so much you know uh yeah the Moon the Moon you don't need much but binoculars huge you know modern
Jupiter you know and share share the experience go to do some sidewalk
astronomy or something you'll find that that is so enjoyable you know and everybody does it I mean we get that's
the juice for us you know so um our audience uh Andrew corkill's out
there I I don't know uh Andrew are you watching Global Star Party while you're
doing observing tonight I think he said it's clear oh nice to California so yeah
that's that's where I'm at uh yeah he's got to get he's got to get up to Pinos and uh at the premier star parties this
summer and and uh we'll be up there with the big Dobbs man yeah we're ready to
share some views with some uh some people that you know are are tuned in you know go up to the to the summer star
party in California that's one of them you can go to Mount Pinos um it's called the summer Star Party
well it's just you guys fall in summer starts yeah because it's summer and we star party but I mean there you go in
the summer you know right now is Springtime so it's Galaxy season this is what I look forward to yeah
there's uh the most amazing you know I hope I pronounced that right
there's the most amazing uh Kane's Vanette vanitici how do you say yeah I
know I always stumble on that but uh yeah you'd call It Candace vanity or
something but there's so many big galaxies that you don't even need that
big of a scope to see them you just need to get it for the dark site and um and
then summer you know then like everything Adrian was showing us that's like the show peace stuff the lagoons on
the triffid the eagle you know all that that's such a great swath of sky in the
center of our galaxy is in the teapot right somewhere near the two oh yeah
yeah yeah and wasn't it fun tonight I mean here we are you know where we it
and one night we get to see southern live southern hemisphere of use I know and all the way up to the Northern
Hemisphere views live um somebody's got to do that that uh
connected Galaxy and then show that like M82 or something uh it's just so big and
we're so far away from the center but it's just it's so big you can't even comprehend how how big it is and and
it's just really great it's just one Galaxy in our yeah fast
there's got to be I underline this vast I want a universally living I didn't
want to interrupt Seth because he is the man and I just want to bite my tongue
and listen because yeah yeah yeah yeah I wanted to ask how many potential chances could there be for
life in our galaxy if we take everything he he gamble he in 2012 he he gambled
that uh by was it 20 20 35 I think he said 5 or 36 or something yeah you know
he's basically saying look I'll buy everybody a cup of coffee if if we don't find life before that you know so uh I
think they already have uh maybe on Mars microbiological life
you know Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps you know it could be from here on Jupiter or
Saturn you know so uh you know that's that's great work though
yeah when I went to one of my last trips to the Jeff propulsion laboratory uh
Linda spilker uh who's still at the time working on Cassini you know she was she
was talking to me uh as uh as we were watching
um uh David Steinfeld he was making uh
bricks out of lunar soil so they had real lunar soil and they
were microwaving it and making you know just to show the concept that they could melt lunar soil oh and Bill Rex okay and
so right this is they want to do this uh because if they if they they could use a
building material that's already there plenty plenty there they just gotta melt
it okay uh but the radiation protection of the lunar soil is
it's good and the regularly yeah and so they but you know I turned to Linda and
I said so what you know how serious are you guys
about finding life elsewhere in our solar system I said do you think that you're going to find it
and she was basically saying that's what we're doing yeah and yes we're going to find life
you know so it was just like no question not like well maybe we'll find life or
you know she could have couched it a million different ways but it was so direct so matter of fact you know uh so
life life in Jupiter's moons you know the the moons when they flew by IO this
thought was volcanic they never expected that seeing those giant plumes right right and and uh they're like taffy so
the gravity of Jupiter is tugging on them so much that it's like they just get hot inside yeah so that ice planet
could have like those thermal vents underneath the ocean they feel the dark
lines that's in them yeah what is that bacteria you know well you know what like you see the red stuff in uh the
Antarctic it's algae it's bad algae we don't want that because it it'll uh heat the planet if there's too much of it but
what about Pluto red stuff right it's life so you know it's tough uh life will find
a way life does find a way that's right and you know uh Seth also mentioned uh
something about you know well what if they release all the atomic bombs on Earth and I remember in a previous talk
he he basically pointed this out it won't kill all the humans
right you know that it would kill 30 of them you know I mean as he said it would
be a horrible day yes it's so funny you said it only Kill
30 of them and I encourage you you know to try
encouragement I need to ask him where you go to to survive inside a mountain or I don't
know Underground uh preferably yeah something that can
absorb a lot of radiation but yeah you know we always think in terms of total
annihilation in doomsday you know uh and even Stephen Hawking mentioned you know
you know maybe we destroy ourselves in some cataclysmic you know nuclear change
or something like that but uh apparently we don't have enough nuclear bombs to do that so you know I I was thinking that
uh if the alien life was out here and and they would have already destroyed us
if they were like you know bad aliens uh I think they might be benign and
you know thank you I think it I think if they if something has detected life here
that they're just you're just not I mean we wouldn't
you know John if you and I were doing the you know we were out there in the spacecraft and we found life on a planet
we ain't going down there no no because wow this is really interesting hope they don't see us
look we're just observers don't talk right away and Report you know after we took a zillion images
right so yeah but that's that would be the extent of it you know so sure anyhow
John thank you very much thank you I want to thank the audience thank you um again thanks to all the presenters
and you know but uh we love our Global audience as well and um uh we'll be back
April 4th for the 118th Global star party and then there's going to be a little bit of a break because we've got
Northeast astronomy Forum I'll probably be doing some live broadcasts from there and uh we're gonna go see some of our
clients our dealers on the east coast and um and then we'll be back
um certainly in May to do another run of gold star parties so
perfect gives gives me some time to create some more works I'm running out of it
for John I have to do one a week at least you know
all right well have a great evening thanks everyone thanks thank you so much bye-bye
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Transcript for Part B:
7:00 p.m..Dustin Gibson - “How Looking Up Can Change Your Life”
he's are you still there Scott yes I am so I've been trying to find my I can't
7:15 p.m..Maxi Falieres - “Outreach in Argentina and Capturing the Mystic Mountain”
find it right on my issue it's Johnny Magazine with the uh the article about the big uh what was it
Starbucks was that at uh the big star gathering over in Europe oh yeah
7:30 p.m..Robert Reeves - “Postcards from the Moon”
that was cool what's that was that you on the right hand side of that picture of everybody that was there it looked
like you was it I was in the group one of the group photos okay I thought I picked you out there on the far right
you're wearing like a white shirt or something maybe I don't remember anyway you look like
7:45 p.m..Ten Minute Break
you I remembered it was uh an amazing event you know so much that goes on at
starmus that I think it really does take a while to
7:55 p.m..Seth Shostak - “Life in the Universe”
digest everything that you that goes on and everything you see and everything you experience it's just uh
you know you have all these brilliant people many of them true genius level type people and just to hear their
8:10 p.m..Molly Wakeling - “Astronomolly”
conversations to hear the presentations the music you know it gets infused and
all this stuff you know it's I I think that the music itself uh kind of uh
8:25 p.m..Marcelo Souza - “Astronomy Outreach in Brazil”
really drives in uh the experience it makes it so you can't forget it you know
so it looked amazing and I saw you there in the picture
8:40 p.m..Cesar Brollo - “Astronomy from Buenes Aires”
hey we'll come here come on come on
who wants to be on the program
8:55 p.m..Adrian Bradley - “Night Scapes”
oh guys you won hey everyone thank you for tuning in to
the 117th Global star party with the theme of from The Big Bang to you and it
9:10 p.m..Jon Schwartz - “Drawing Out the Universe”
is all about the connections that we have with the universe and the universe Within
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we have a fantastic lineup of speakers and we have a special co-host Carrie lutellier all the way from Chile
she's recently back from Iceland where she captured images of the Aurora at
which one her a NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day so that was a recent development for her very very amazing
and anyway she'll be helping us introduce our speakers tonight which is
uh David Levy a comment Discoverer and uh author and
also you know someone that always gives us inspiring words of wisdom along with
special quotes and poetry so uh we're always lucky to have David join us Don
knabb from the astronomical League will be with us David ickerd senior editor of
astronomy magazine is here with us uh talking about exotic deep space objects
um Dustin Gibson from opt uh recently completed a TED Talk talking
about uh his uh reasons for getting into astronomy and how he shares that with
the world uh Maxi filari is is on with us tonight uh he'll be sharing uh his uh latest
astrophotography and inspiring us all to hook up some sort of camera
including when he first came on a uh iPhone or a smartphone where he tore the
lens out of the system I have an old one so that he could just put the sensor
right onto the telescope it's really amazing the shots that he got and I'm always still Blown Away by his work
Robert Reeves has joined us on an ongoing program of understanding the moon in his
program postcards from the Moon if you don't know about Robert Reeves he does amazing lunar photography but he knows a
lot about the surface in geology and makeup and history of the moon so uh on
his last program on our 116th Global star party I learned so much myself so
um very honored to have uh the senior astronomer of seti with us on tonight uh
Seth shostak and he'll be talking about life in the universe Molly wakling with astronomally her
series ongoing of her astrophotography where she always mixes in science uh
love her programs Marcelo Souza from Brazil will be talking about his annual
convention and also his astronomy Outreach with the youth and astronomy
down in Brazil he is doing some things that are very important and spreading
the interest in astronomy all over South America and with us all over the world
Cesar brolo will be on his balcony tonight hopefully Imaging live that's that's his that's his plan uh he is uh
he does astrophotography from a light polluted balcony in Buenos Aires and uh
so uh you'll be surprised what you can get and uh his his
um mission is to get everyone to do astronomy whether you're in the city or not
Adrian Bradley will be on with this with his beautiful nightscapes and then we have John Schwartz we'll finish off the
show with drawing out the universe so thank you for tuning in again and uh
let's take it away foreign
thank you everyone for tuning in tonight for the 117th Global star party uh of
course I'm very happy to have and honored to have Carrie lutellier be my
co-host tonight uh I know she's coming off of a high of winning her first ever
NASA Astronomy Picture of the day but I'm not surprised because I've been looking at her images now for a couple
of years and she does a remarkable job this is a lady who made it her mission
to make her dream come true and think that she might talk a little bit about that I'm going to turn it over to you
Carrie thank you for being our co-host tonight and uh
I think we're all going to learn a lot from you and be inspired nice good hi everybody I'm so happy to
be here and so honored that you invited me to to be your co-host and yeah I'm
still super excited about the the output it's it's like I don't know it feels like I I
did get this one step um I really wanted to reach but there's
still a lot to to learn I think we all have to keep learning right but it's and
as we were talking before with maxi is ironic that I had to travel to the other
part of the world from Chile in the very south to the very North to to make an
image that uh it was pretty interesting enough for NASA to
decide uh call it an apple but I'm so honored by that uh you
um I don't know how to explain uh how I feel uh that night when I received the
email and they told me hey this is your about please review everything that it's okay the the summer is okay and it was
gelling and screaming and crying a lot like such a girl I was like a little
girl crying because it's so much hard work it's been five years
working in studying and sacrifying like a lot of things a lot of times with
friends with family just to be there in the field practicing and then in the
laptop practicing my post processing and trying to to improve my skills trying to
improve the results and well I'm very how can I say it I'm so sorry
sometimes my English is gets a bit Rusty but
um it's exciting to have this recognition and then
actually I wanted to highlight something from the issue from today because the issue from today is from big bang to you
and as in words of um Scott Roberts is all this that has to do
with this with our interdependent relationship with the universe and so I
wanted to highlight something that really marked me in the past from a presentation from Scott
uh uh and I took it I stole it and put it here in a slide just let me show you
just that slide that is about the power of a stargazing and from that start
understanding about our place in the universe our place in here and how this can make us understand
um maybe to not feel so magnificent maybe to understand that we're so
vulnerable um I really wanted to highlight this that as humans we live in a society that
tends to focus primarily on ourselves and our lives I really remember because when I said this presentation from a
scrub it marked me if for me it was different to start connecting all the
astronomical uh popularization with this we're trying to connect with with this
overview effect actually I I wanted to put it in here also
I'm using the one of my time lapse from from Iceland we really got so Lucky by
these two uh solar ejection solar mass ejections that were so so
um how can I say it so great that gave us this show in the night sky
um I I really wanted to connect this like we're watching to to the sky we're
watching to the northern lights in there we're watching to the stars and trying to understand the different
altitudes the different hates of each phenomena and from them to the stars and
to understand this level this overview effect is um I'm so sorry that I leave it here in
spanish because I translated and I forgot to change it but if we have someone that speaks Spanish and it's
watching in here it will be easier to understand what it says in there but this
um internal mind uh change of this uh mind thinking
right uh help me here is God because okay I I learned I learned this from you and I
want to highlight that well you know you're the guilty one this is something that I know that you are very in tune to
you know uh astronomy and and looking up and starting to really
um feel the connection or loosening your ego enough so that you can start to
wonder and you can start to be awe-inspired uh you know like I'm
looking at this image right now of of uh of the Aurora and wow I mean if if that
if that doesn't blow your mind okay just looking at that um you know then then you know you need
to stay out there and look up longer but what it does carries it makes people have a cognitive shift in their in their
mind and it reframes how they think of themselves in their
relationship with the universe you know and and there's many things that happen they get they get humble they feel like
they're very small like they're very insignificant that's important I have that feeling you know and um you know
and it opens you up to learning and exploring and when you're exploring and uh
actively exploring you're experiencing some plot an experience of flow and that
makes people happy exactly and I think it's a key to to
understand where we come from right that we're made of a Stardust and
that is not something like something that you read it on your or
your horoscopo horoscope it's in English the same right no it's because it's a
fact we know about a nuclear nucleogenesis nuclear synthetizer we
know that we came from stars and that everything in here we know that came from Stars so uh
from there that we see it like so far away but we come from there it's
um that part of feeling maybe yeah we're insignificance we're so small but I'm
by that we can understand to live our ego like in other level but exactly and
your problems your problems also are inconsequent exactly in the face of the
universe right so exactly and what I try to do with this I'd see sir for me in
Spanish to do it but it's good here to to practice in English and to produce my
English skills um is to to to make people understand that besides their
insignificant they're so small they're so uh not lasting like we lost I don't
know maybe 100 years luckily but what happens with that that's the only
way to make us eternal how's that because
we all watch we we all get our head up and watch the stars and we're watching
exactly or almost exactly same stars that our parents our grandparents and
maybe I don't know what how how many generations before of humanity so sadly
the same night sky and it's what makes us Eternal that we're watching exactly the same and it's the way that we
connect with next Generations until the end of humanity and from before from the
very beginning of humanity we're watching practically the same night sky and that's something that I I try to
highlight uh what when I try to explain the uh the overview effect
Carrie I have a question I'm really happy that you uh get this this looks like it's your presentation that you
give to groups in South America and maybe in other countries as well what is
the reaction like when when you're when you're talking about this it's it's different for every person
um maybe has been very interesting with people that are kind of afraid of
knowing about the nice guy people that have like phobia when they they under a very dark sky and they feel like the
stars are coming over them and so they prefer to think that the Earth is flat because they don't want to face the fact
that we have such a bus universe and that there are so many other phenomenons they don't want to struggle with that so
they prefer to think something minimal so I think that's the most
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explain to that people and to understand about the overview factor to make the
overview effect without taking them outside from uh out from the earth right right and so we have many tools for this
right to stand about this what is this the family
portrait from bojango one right when it was it was near Neptune right yeah and
from there that Carl Sagan got inspired to to write a player Blue Dot and to show them what how
smallware but the thing is that in that very small Dot
where all part of that in fact if we wanted to go to another uh star system we have to travel like
with the the Rockets the Apple Rockets the the current rockets that we have we have to travel I don't know maybe during
25 000 years or 80 000 years it's insane so
right how can you uh get this and turn
this to you and understand that this is like the only place that give you that
safety right that's what I try to do the use these tools like the family portrait and
the public Dot from Carl Sagan on this one the The Day the Earth smile from Cassini uh and also astrophotography
because I really I'm really into the landscape astrophotography and that's it's like a
discretion almost because some people says no that's not astrophotography that's just night photography but what I
say is when you're using that to teach about the sky to motivate someone to
learn about the nice guy and maybe that person took a photo with his cell phone and start like zooming and zooming and
swimming and so that very very tiny like it that it looks like dust but it's a
Galaxy for example and it's damn I got a galaxy with my cell phone Maxine knows
about that with himself all right and to impress them that
we all can do it we can all Fascinate with nice guy we can all make landscape
astrophotography it's the easier way to to start um discovering the cosmos discovering
the nice guy and learning about it and so another thing that I use a lot
another tool is this quote from this astronaut the first one from Arabia
Saudi that he says that when they were on the rocket like leaving the Earth the first
day oh well so we'll point to our countries the third or Forte we were pointing to our
continents by the fifth date we were aware of only one Earth I'm pretty sure that you used that one right Scott
yes and I stole it and I install it I'm a thief
so yeah that's these ideas and presenting them and reminding people
you know of their place in the universe you know and helping them to reconnect so many people are lonely you know and
yet they have everything their bodies are contain everything in the universe
exactly it's so nice that we can use the nice guy we can use astronomy we can use
astrophotography in every way to start inspiring people not just uh Inspire to
just take the photo but to understand what are their cutting that they're catching with their cameras something
that that I can catch it's like photographing invisible because it doesn't mean that it's in there because
you can see it it's that the human eye is not
like such a perfect machine at least without light that's what I wanted to
say to introducible the the issue from today I really thought that it was
um it wasn't necessary to do this connection and to support this
um this uh this talk that you do also it's got this connection that you do with the
nice guy that is not just only about the technical data and like the the perfect
astrophotography it's about what is like more far from there
yeah thanks thank you and I'm so honored that
now I I will see all the talks from these other Generals in here
yeah and I love this time lapse that you have this is wonderful thanks I can share it to you all guys if
you need it for a presentation just let me know that's great that's great okay
so uh at this point uh let's go ahead and start introducing our first Speaker
Carrie yeah our first Speaker I'm so excited because
I think you were the first speaker so the second speaker oh yeah our second speaker but I was just introductions but
he's our very first speakers don't so is David Levy actually that was maybe my
first book to learn about uh the nice guy to orientate myself with the nice
guys so I'm so honored to present you David welcome
your your silence you have to active activate your your microphone
that might be better well thank you so much Carrie and it's really a pleasure to be hearing you co-hosting today's
program the big from The Big Bang to you this is a very large theme but also an
extremely personal thing because it goes it deals with the origins of the universe all the way to
us and there's an important reason for that because the universe probably has
more clusters of galaxies than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of
Earth and um it is really incredible unbelievable to
imagine the numbers of galaxies the filaments of galaxies which the
filaments of superclusters that stretch all the way to the end of the universe
and yet in all that in that all that there is only one of
each of us we are unique nowhere else in that far-flung universe will you find
another carry we can find another David eicher will you find another Scott
Roberts and uh it's interesting so for my poem today I'm going to read from one of the
most beautiful poems ever written written by T.S Eliot it is part of his
four cortex and is from Little Golding and I'm reading it in slightly out of order but
here goes through the unknown remembered gate when
the last of Earth left to discover is that which was the beginning at the source of the longest river the
voice of the Hidden waterfall and the children in the apple tree not known because not looked for but heard effort
in the Stillness between two waves of the sea click now here now always a
condition of complete Simplicity Crossing not less than everything
and all shall be well and all manner of things shall be well when the tongues of flame are enfolded
into the crown knot of Fire and the fire and the rose are one
we shall not cease from exploration and the end of all are exploring will be to
arrive where we started and know the place for the first time and carry back to you thank you
to you David that was wow I was told that too yeah I would say
wow come here Scott okay okay all right so
um up next uh we have um we have uh uh don knab don is uh uh with
the astronomical League um I've done I forget which region that you uh preside over the middle east
region yeah okay Pennsylvania the Virginia's part of New Jersey and uh
Maryland in DC okay well that's a that's a big area and how
many members are in that area would you say I don't know that's about 40 clubs 40 clubs
but it has the single largest Club in the league which is the Novak Northern
Virginia in Virginia over a thousand members just them that's a huge Club so right well thank
you for coming on to Global Star Party we're going to turn it over to you man okay well let me share my screen I have
a whole thing is to go over uh we'll get a slideshow going
so I'm going to talk a little bit about the moon uh when we picked out some of our we we
rotate this among different members of the uh of the league and before I pick out things we want to talk about so I'm
going to talk about the moods of my favorite things you know Al is a lot about Outreach about reaching the public
so uh some of these things in the moon are a lot of fun to look at with people
uh public star parties first things I want to put a plug-in for Star Quest anyone doing driving distance
of West Virginia uh this summer in June is going to be the green Bank star quest uh 18.
now I just want to put a plug in it's a great event my wife and I have been there we're going again this year
this is a screen capture from their uh website uh it's a really neat place you
can camp on the field in sight of the world's largest durable radio telescope
it's an amazing place to camp uh if you don't like to Camp there's a bunk house
uh there's a number of thing events to look at in the in the
science center and every day through the day and at night there is uh there are speakers uh you can get lunch so just
want to put a plug-in for Star Quest it's it's a really wonderful event it's not as big as uh some of the larger
uh get togethers but it's it's about as big as they get in the Mideast region so uh June 21 24 and you have until
Friday to sign up and get the early bird uh registration reduced cost so uh but
again it's this is it's just I took this picture from our camping site and just to have this device out there every day
through the night looking at this thing it's an amazing experience so just putting the plug-in
for StarQuest excellent so the Moon you know it's full of amazing sites and
why don't we have Night Sky events we try to schedule more than a little bit of moon but not too much so it doesn't
wash out or other things in the sky uh but you know even the simplest telescope can give you good views of the Moon uh
so I'm just going to highlight a couple of things uh that that we really enjoy sharing about the moon
and one of my favorites is rupus recta the street wall and that is this okay
and every month you can see this okay uh it's around day eight or so days after
first quarter and it's the uh the most well-known fault normal fault on the moon and you'll be able to see it day
after tomorrow uh March 30th so you know this is the current moon
now Lucas rich is right around in here so it's a little bit beyond first quarter uh you know when the moon was
molten uh and it started to cool and impacts from large bodies cause of these
Mario the Seas but the straight wall form after that when
things were Cooling and you had tension and compression forces this doesn't make
it the moon looking pretty much like it is so I'll tend to think of the Moon cooling sometimes they take a pie out of
the oven and looks really great when you take it out but one is full you got big cracks in there well that's what happened to the Moon to some extent so
so normal faults our words the process pulled apart and gravity pulls down one
part of exposing a fault scarp called a rupus and rupus recta this Great Wall is
the best example of a normal fault in the Moon and so when the sun illuminates at about
day eight past the shadow it looks like a steep Cliff so you know 110 kilometers
so you could drive from one end to the other at interstate speed and be there in an
hour from one end to the other so it's not really that large but it's just a wonderful site in the telescope for
people I've never seen it and you know it may look like a vertical Cliff but this shot from Apollo 16 shows
that it's really not Steve Cliff it's actually fairly shallow it's just that the Moon is just coming up around the
lunar sunrise and so it looks like a very very steep drop off but it's really
not so a couple of other things to point out um
here is uh crater Bert 70 kilometers diameter what's that about 10 miles or
so anybody say well what's this is this another Street wall no this is actually a room of Burt reel okay German for
Groove that's what Brill is and uh this is a Groove as opposed to a cliff which we have here
um it's not from a fault it's from erosive forces it was lava flowing from one spot to another that causes it so
it's a great little pair of uh of objects looking on the moon
and then down the southern end here they call this a stag horns mountains that's just an informal name it's not not
recognized by the iau the other probably my favorite thing in
the Moon was the lunar X and the next favorite is lunar V so it's we're you could probably
barely see it here but I'll point this out a little bit more it's near Craner crater
in the binoculars or telescope you can see this it's a distinct X on the moon
well the V is not quite as distinct but what it has going for it where this is
only visible for a short time the v stands out for a little bit longer than the X so you may have a ding or two see
the V the X you have about four hours so this is the little blown up section
actually I took this photo a few years ago um this is the uh the X
and then the B is a little harder to see but there is the V okay
um just one just writer first just beyond first quarter when the uh the sun is just catching the tops of these Peaks
so and they're not real or they're not real they're an optical illusion and uh
uh for the lunar X it only lasts about four hours and unless you're you're part
of the earth is pointing at the moon during those four hours you're not going to see it uh straight wall on the other
hand you'll see every month is always there but the lunar X is fleeting uh we have had in our astronomy club Local
we've had lunar X parties which are a lot of fun uh you can watch the thing it starts to get lit and go through a
period of hours and see the X and eventually disappears
so this year is really favoring the Western U.S now if you were in
California last night at 1am you could have seen the lunar X uh
but so in May and July September all these favor the Western U.S uh to be
probably visible for a little longer maybe it'll catch it in the Eastern these days but these are the confirmed
sightings in the U.S in the western U.S in during 2023.
you know the lunar X is an example of see if I get Productions right have a doilia okay
tend to see the human mind to find patterns something familiar in uh when
we're looking at things random patterns this is probably the most famous example or paradolia is the uh the game that's
based on Mars where everyone said wow the Alias built this well as NASA had
better views it found out that it's just a mountain that's all it is so but that's what the lunar and x and the VR
just an example of the brain wants to find patterns it's what we do a large portion overall a significant part of
our brain is centered on pattern recognition mostly siliconized spaces
uh so if you like uh lunar observing the astronomical lead does have a lunar
observing program this is one of the first programs back that may be the first program that I completed that or the consolation Hunter
but you can go to the last comical League the lunar observant program it's a really fun one and I recognize this
guy's name down here Chuck Allen who is also on the show he is the coordinator of the lunar observing program and uh
you earn a certificate a nice pin I've actually have mine right here that uh I
wore this last night we're teaching astronomy classes right now I wore this and the good thing is with the certificate if someone tells you they
think you're crazy you can tell them you are a certified lunatic you have the paperwork to prove it
that's good one last thing I want to mention that we do have on uh
April uh it's hard for me to see because the uh the headers covered in this I think it's April 28th we do have
astronomical lead live uh Michael belchik will be presenting uh the total
solar eclipse the countdown has begun all right I think I'll stop by sharing
that's pretty much what I had to cover excellent excellent thank you Don I didn't know that you were such an expert
on the moon uh I am a certified unitech you are you are uh uh Carrie do you uh
do you do much photography of the Moon yourself not much I would really like to to to
learn how to do it but I don't do much more photography actually I'm hiding
from uh full moon I try to always go astrophotography without moon to avoid
it yeah most deep Sky enthusiasts knew that you know I did too for a long long time but I've grown to really appreciate
the moon and uh it's something that I can look at um you know anytime that it's up uh I I
think my best view of the moon ever was looking through the 60 inch Oscar Meyer
telescope at Palomar Observatory uh and they had it powered up and Carrie and
Don they had this line from the uh the astronomy club I was with I'm not going
to call them out right now but I thought it was very strange that all of them were avoiding looking through this
massive 60 inch telescope at the Moon you know and they just had an eyepieces
sticking straight out the back of it so the light coming out of it looked like a spotlight hitting the floor and um
people are going oh yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna hurt my eye I'm gonna damage my eye and I was like get out of my way I'm
gonna see this you know and uh don Gary it was beautiful because the you could
see what looked like undulating Hills and and this kind of thing on the moon it was just uh I I really burn in my
brain I can't I can't get it out and uh Terminator is amazing yeah it's it is
amazing but uh uh thank you for coming on tonight Don and um uh Carrie and I
are going to introduce Dave eicher so yeah and I actually have a question for
David for well yes yeah no but I do have a I have a
question for the end of the presentation okay yeah yeah I would like to know
which one is your favorite of the weird or the visara Stars part of this exotic
the sky objects which is the favorite weird deep Sky I have to think about that as I as I speak a little bit here
there's so many favorites but but I'll think about that for a moment here um but but it's a great pleasure to meet
you finally and and uh please do send astronomy magazine some of your images
too and we will publish them too well really oh of course yeah
um oh my gosh it's great to make your acquaintance and uh I have Scott I think
we're through 10 exotic objects we've talked about and they're 421 to go so
we're not there yet you know we knocked that list down you know but we've got to start at least a little bit of talking
about them and we'll keep going on that but I thought talking about with the Big Bang Theory theme I thought it would be
a good time to kind of stop for a moment and talk a little bit uh tonight about
you know how do we think about scientific ideas really because it's a
funny thing astronomy enthusiasts are science-minded and they're very logical and they're
deeply enthused and carry as you describe these connection we have with the the universe and understanding that
the elements that we're made of were created in that essentially mostly the deaths of stars and in the early
Universe you know but there there's a weird thing with some astronomy enthusiasts with the big bang well I
don't know you know really about the big I'm a little skeptical about that so you know it's kind of a weird blind spot
with a lot of people who are and I hope I don't upset anyone who are otherwise
normal and and intelligent you know so so um I I thought maybe we'd just take a
moment tonight to talk a little bit about you know how do we think about scientific ideas just from and then I'll
get to an exotic objective I mean something that often comes up you know
uh when there's conversations like that somebody will say well my theory is this
and they blah blah you know and then they yeah and they're interesting ideas of course you know and it's it's not
anything that you'd laugh at or anything like that but uh yeah what what I recently read
about you know what is a theory how does it become a theory How does it go from
an idea to a theory you know and I was following along uh the history I was trying to
find out what the history of the theory of the Big Bang was
so well it's Scott it's funny you should ask that because that leads right into
exactly what I was going to start to talk about it's not like Scott and I
rehearsed this or anything no we would never do such a thing as that but let me
let me share my screen if I can uh I need to get back to there share share my
screen for a moment and I will start uh to put a slideshow on and can you see a
couple of uh super massive black holes in the centers of galaxies that are interacting
okay that has nothing to do with anything paying no attention to that whatsoever okay just get that out of
your mind immediately but if I can toggle through let's talk for a moment
about the big bang and the word theory because Scott as you said most people use the word theory I have an idea let
me I have a theory worry about how this works but scientists think of these words in very special ways that we
should remind ourselves about once in a while because it's easy for all of us to
kind of fall out of that so with theory for scientists is an accepted
generalization regarded by scientists as correct and true based on substantiated
evidence it's often misused as we just said by the lay public taken as a
working idea modern theories however include Evolution and if you have friends who
are skeptical about evolution by the way you can remind them if you'd like to that that was breaking news 164 years
ago um the theory of radioactivity uh the theory of relativity of course in The
Big Bang Theory which sort of came to the fore with with Hubble and even
earlier than Hubble with vesto Slifer at Lowell Observatory uh in the era of
World War One theories must be accepted according to science until they are revised or
replaced by new research there are compilations of ideas that are worked on
and proven uh to a high degree by observations and experiments many many
many times and of course when we're talking about the era of science we're talking about approximately the last 500
years since about the time of Galileo so if we step back from Theory a
hypothesis from the word hypo meaning less and thesis meaning theory is an
educated working guess or a set of ideas in development to explain various phenomena so a hypothesis may turn out
to be true or false pending further information investigation and Analysis
this is what most people mean when they say the word theory a working hypothesis
then in science laws scientific laws may be rather specific and expressed in
logical or mathematical forms examples for for example we have Kepler's laws in
astronomy uh the law of gravitation in physics kinetic gas laws and chemistry
the quantum laws of atomic Motion in physics scientists use these methods to
Define principles which are tested repeatedly by observation experimentation Theory and Analysis and
they construct a view of the world that they believe to represent uh most
accurately reality and how we understand it so the development of ideas for
scientists goes from hypothesis to Theory to law
and it's good to remind ourselves of that every once in a while and forgive me for being on a soapbox a little bit
about this but this is the kind of thing that I was haramed with as a youngster because my father among other things
like to teach the philosophy of science so it's good to remind ourselves of this so the Big Bang Theory which originated
with the discoveries by Hubble of the nature of galaxies with the Andromeda
galaxy in 1923 and even before Hubble with VM Slifer as I said with his fancy
new spectroscope which you can see out at Lowell still in 1912 discovering that
the spiral nebulae were all uh radial in radial velocity moving away from each
other uh uh that that was a working hypothesis then Along Came Arno penzias
and our friend Bob Wilson who's still around uh and with the discovery of the
cosmic microwave background radio Creation in 1964 the Big Bang became
reality and that was really verified and we've had an enormous amount of verification of the Big Bang or the
singularity if you will as the origin of the universe with this whole series of
cosmological satellites that we've had starting with Kobe in 1992 and most
recently with the Planck satellite with its last big data dump that was in the
year 2015. so now we have to say that the Big Bang was the origin of the
universe and if you want to be a rebel and think you have your own theories or I or hypotheses if you will
you really kind of have to accept the Big Bang you can't accept science and scientific
thinking part of the time but not when you choose to exclude it
you know that's not the way science works so there's my soapbox for the night and
if I can get this thing there we go so now I'll go on this one in process you
know process yeah and and Scott I don't know if you have thoughts about
um The Big Bang or about Theory and hypothesis you were we were talking about this just for a minute
earlier today a bit and you were very interested in in this as well
yeah and so I you know uh I just
when I'm reading about um you know things like the big bang and
other Concepts that where they're trying to peer into the the very nature
of of the universe uh words like
Theory and hypothesis get interchanged so much that you're like well is it a hypothesis
or is it a theory or did it do is a hypothesis equal to a theory you know
what point you know does does something become established as a theory is it is it kind
of like in hindsight after they've you know many experiments are run that are different kinds of experiments uh such
as the ones that um put uh uh The Big Bang on its mantle of where it is now
you know um yeah in in in in a in a word yes and and that can be debated a little bit you
know where exactly are these lines but but in in essence yes you're exactly right the hypothesis is our our you know
educated guess and it's what we think we think this is going on because we have some observations and evidence and
experiments that we run and they all seem to come back from all the different
groups uh the same way and so we think this is the way it works but of course
with big complex ideas like some of them that we mentioned there including the Big Bang it takes decades at least um so
sometimes to kind of really accumulate the evidence that does make it out to
what is generally agreed to be a theory that we think this set of principles explains how this works and there's an
enormous amount of evidence for it then we can go that Step Beyond and ever
since you know Galileo and Newton we have very high confidence in gravitation
and how it works you know and and you know dropping things out of you know the
you know the Campanile you know and watching them fall at various rates
um and the the laws and and uh you know in in more recent times you know
relativity is is now um you know don't bet against Einstein yeah every time you
know we do relativity I'm sorry I said people the scientists keep trying to
prove him wrong but uh you know there's some other new experiment that comes
along and boom Einstein wins again you know so that's right yeah and and so
it's it's you know relativity is is up there as well among some others that we
think are fundamentally absolutely correct and the problem is as we go through time you know if we're talking
about Antiquity we're not talking about science really we're talking about some basic ideas that are clouded in various
ways the era of modern science really starts with Galileo you know over about
the last 500 years approximately so a framework of you know of understanding
things better it's always we we see the universe always and not to go on forever
about this but there's a great book that Bob jastrow wrote years ago that that
I'll throw on here a little bit later um that is a good it's a little bit outdated now it's from the 1970s but his
estimation then was that you know maybe we know about maybe perhaps about 20
percent of the phenomena in the universe so the history of science is a
self-correcting process thankfully but it's also a process in which we understand the universe in too
simplistic away at the start and one example of that is for example with just
in astronomy um you know Martin Schmidt and we're about to celebrate the 60th anniversary
of the discovery of quasars and which were very distant very
energetic extremely bright star-like objects that were completely not understood at all in the early 1960s
1963 at Caltech when 3C 48 and 3C 273
and others were first noted as radio objects at first um and then for 25 years this mystery
went on and we had quasars and we had BL asserte objects and we had Seaford
galaxies named after Carl's even and all these weird unrelated things that were
high energy objects and how are we ever going to figure this out this went on into the late 1980s and then suddenly
with Hubble in the early 1990s it became clear that these were all the same
phenomenon but with different geometric angles that we were viewing them from
and different individual characteristics but they were all phenomena that were related to black holes in high energy in
in the early part of the universe so for you know it can take us a long time to
kind of get clarity and figure things out for bits of hypothesis to get into a
confident theory if you will because it's a complex universe but
eventually we tend to do that over time now of course the good thing for astronomers and other scientists is that
for everything we figure out we generally uncover a few more Mysteries that we didn't realize were out there so
nobody's going to run out of a job you know tomorrow um in terms of investigating science but
it is a slow self-correcting process
but I think we do need to have Merit in what we have truly discovered and have
high confidence in things like gravitation and relativity and I would
say the Big Bang as well right excellent
so sorry to go on so long about that I didn't intend to quite do that but but it's a bit of a complicated mess many
people kind of toss the this these ideas around and really only have a cursory
understanding of the process of science you know yet as you say many of us says amateur
astronomers will hold you know science up as a as as a very uh important aspect
of humanity um you know but uh of course we might have
a pet idea that we Retreat to that really doesn't follow the process of science
well and there are other this goes into there's a whole nother realm of you know how do you determine what you believe to
be the truth or reality you know and and empiricism scientists think is the best
way you know but but there's also you know listening to with what authorities tell you you know
um parents School teachers who clergy whomever you know Associates there's
intuition you know I feel that this has to be right there was long ago you know
a lot of the majority opinion of of how do you view the world about you around
you was dictated by things that you dreamed you know and that tends to be a
less reliable method now than science right we think so
there's there are hours of stuff to talk about with all of that too
and it's and I don't want to have it come off that you know because we think we know some things in
an absolute way you know 500 years is not very long hanging around on a planet you know so you know it's not like we
don't have enormous incredible things and many many of them to discover and to figure out yet but that be what we don't
know yet doesn't necessarily automatically negate there are people who say well you don't know everything
as scientists so nothing that you know is probably reliable that's not true either
you know we believe that gravity and the experience of gravity working uh is is
reliably known and has been for millions and millions of experiments over in that
in its case hundreds of years and you know the people who really feel that
gravity is suspect you know probably aren't likely to you know step outside of a window you know either as a test
you know that usually doesn't work out too well you know so anyway you could go on forever about this stuff but I think
it's important to remember those terms and how scientists really use them because they get corrupted so much
outside of the realm of kind of science enthusiasts if you will you know right
so Carrie this one is not my favorite exotic option
to me it's just the next one you know in line right
but it's an interesting one this is not the greatest
but it's okay to start with the one that is not the the favorite one well and to
finish with the the fair board well exactly and as a confession I went through lots
and lots of sources and started through no particular reason going through star atlases
near the North Pole and I'm working my way Southward so actually as you know undoubtedly in Chile a lot of the good
stuff is in the southern Sky you know but but so we Northerners are a little bit envious of the Southern Hemisphere
that you have all the time you know you're all welcome here into it whenever you want to come excellent excellent
well Bart you know an old friend Bart Bak you know David knows this better than anyone used to say all the good
stuff is in the southern sky that wasn't too much of an exaggeration you know
but anyway this one is in the northern far northern sky and it's Coddington's
nebula it was discovered in 1898 by an American astronomer Edward Coddington
and it's not a nebula at all but this was before 1923 when all that fuzzy
stuff you know was in were called Natalie this is actually a dwarf barred spiral galaxy
um and it it was identified later on it's an Ursa Major it's about 13 million light years away
and it has among other things an enormous number of very large star-forming regions the diameters of
some of its H2 regions are as large as 500 light years across enormous
star-forming regions um so it's a relatively young Galaxy among other things which explains that
uh Stellar population it's an outlying member of the m81 group
which is one of the closest groups small groups of galaxies remember they're big clusters of galaxies throughout the
Universe the nearest one to us is the virugo cluster but they're even more galaxies that are in small groups of
several to a couple dozen and this group has m81 and M82 of course and another
really nice spiral mgc 2403 in camel apartilus you might know and then a
couple dozen other galaxies as well about 90 percent of the mass of this
object Coddington's nebula or galaxies in the form of dark matter uh and it's about an 11th magnitude
object that's reasonably large it's about 12 arc minutes across but it has a very low surface brightness so it's it's
a little uh challenging to observe
and if I can get come on there we go okay this is my old current favorite
star Atlas again the interstellarum atlas then here you can see Coddington's
nebula it's in a field of Northern Ursa Major and there are a few clusters and
and a couple of interesting variable Stars nearby it uh but not a whole lot
else and this is a kind of a good representation except for the color
um as of how Coddington's nebula appears in a medium-sized to to large telescope
in in your backyard in a dark sky you know it's kind of an interesting Galaxy and even here you can see some of the H2
regions with stars forming foreign here's a higher resolution somewhat
close more close-up view of the object and you can see it's just studded with
star-forming regions which is quite uh incredible um and NGC 2403 also in this group has a
lot of star-forming regions as well here's a Hubble image of a portion of
Coddington's nebula and you can see it's just a wall of sort of faint Stars here
with some of those H2 regions uh shown pretty well
um this is not the whole galaxy of course but a segment of it in the field of HST
and just as an outgoing reminder here I'll mention that astronomy we're in our
the midst of our 50th anniversary year which was kicked off with a comets issue
by none other than Professor David Levy introducing it and we're looking forward
to all sorts of other special surprises and a big anniversary issue in August
which is actually the anniversary month so that's coming down the pike also Don mentioned a couple things of
interest one of them was Michael bokich is going to give a talk for one of the
league sessions I'll mention that he and I wrote this book recently a child's introduction to space exploration and
Don I thought that hearing one thing you said that's the greatest uh uh sort of
um theme for Scott for a show that you have coming up I think next time we
should all bring our toasters near your laptops here and whomever toasts a piece
of bread during the show to look most like a spiral galaxy we can
sell it on eBay for half a million dollars sure you know so there we go
so that's what I have and and sorry I didn't mean to go on quite so long
um about the philosophy of science but it's good to remind ourselves of that and one more
um strange special image you know of of an exotic Sky object you know it's a
bright one Carrie but I'll just throw back uh as an immediate response to that
for a northerner when I'm down in Costa Rica or in Chile or somewhere else in
the southern hemisphere when you look up and you're used to the Orion Nebula is a great incredibly bright uh star-forming
region and you see it and it's over here you know kind of moving down towards setting and you know it's fairly small
but bright and beautiful in the naked eye and you know one of Scott's telescopes in fact we've had there a
16-inch uh dab you know and it's incredible in the telescope then you
look over here and you see the Karina nebula rise thing and it's about five
times larger and four times brighter than the Orion and you think holy God
that's a nebula you know so that's my favorite uh nebula that's sticking in my
mind tonight the Karina nebula well that's actually such a in here it's
like one of the most photographer that nebula I think that all my friends that
do deep Sky astrophotography they all have uh like
three or four versions of Karina like with Hubble palette with uh the esho
they have it like in all the ways because as we have it like almost all
the nights and the whole night oh fantastic well you're you're on the
right place on Earth you know for deep Sky observing there's no doubt about that and you know it's by far the
largest and brightest nebula in the sky so I'm looking forward to the time when I can come down to Chile and visit again
and and see it again we have to go to Atacama to the best nice guy absolutely yeah surprise one
yes I will introduce yeah I will introduce you my best friend he's uh this deep
deep Sky Mr Photographer and I know that you will get along fantastic I I look forward to that
dream of the Karina nebula later tonight
I will send you my friends Karina nevilla the last one he made excellent thanks so much
thank you and so for our next guest is Dustin
Dustin Gibson he just released during uh 2022.
right a TED Talk and I'm
hi there Dustin I'm not sure if I got audio yet but yeah that's right
how we doing yeah I don't want to do a spoiler sure
sure sure yeah so it uh it was recorded actually in August but it just got
released a few weeks ago and it was uh a great experience one of the one of the scariest experiences of my life is I've
called Scott a couple times now to tell him because my goal tonight you know in
in coming here is to get everybody to petition to get Scott to do one of these
things I was trying to push him into this or something like this very soon I
think Scott is such a juggernaut for the mission and in Sharing astronomy for
everyone and you know tonight's a good example of that that I just think um you know it's it's where we need to where we
need to push him we need to get as a group and just push Scottish right off the cliff into the Ted Talk world yeah
absolutely absolutely I think it's where you belong well that's great well you know I I
watched your Ted Talk it was really impressive really inspiring you said you were nervous and uh very yeah uh you
didn't show it you know I mean it was it was uh it was brilliant and inspiring
and I encourage all of you that are watching right now um you know to Google Dustin Gibson Ted
X you know you're gonna find it right off the right of the top and Google it's had tens of thousands of views already
and uh maybe upwards of a hundred thousand views maybe and um
you know it is uh I love the story of uh how you got started and where where it's
all led to but I'll let you tell the story well it's hard to it's hard to follow up David for one thing so it's
not really fair that you put me in this spot I saw when you sent me the email I was like oh come on Scott we've got
friends a long time you're gonna make me follow up names you're a TED Talk guy now yeah right you know it's scary
because it's it's obviously I mean we've we've been saying this all the way back to our podcast four years ago that we
did together but it's just this Mission feels really important it's something that is obviously perspective shaping
once you get astronomy in your blood you never get it out you can't it's just once you have that perspective you can't
you know you can't see the rest of the world the same way ever again you can't see your own life you can't see your
place in the universe you can't see anything the same way and so it felt very important
um I actually tried so when they when they contacted me about it I try to push the talk off on one of my partners
several times and they decided not to do it so I
accepted it and then you know the hard part is they make you memorize it so no teleprompter
um it has to be exactly 18 minutes you know they like they do this whole thing and
um you know you can't you can't go up there with notes or anything and it was just it was very intimidating most talks
when you go up you have like your slides and so you can just kind of pull because they're they're Refreshers you know it
reminds you of what your next point was and then you can if it's something you know well you can just riff off of the
slide but going up and memorizing it it felt like you know I'm not talking about this I'm I'm pulling from memory and in
front of several thousand people at the time it's huge huge facility and so yeah
it was intimidating man it's not um I'm not really built for those types of things but it felt important to do you
are so you did it and you did a great job so well thank you yeah I mean it feels important you know and I I hope
that there are more far better ones than mine you know in the near future I think
that it's an important message I think these types of um you know this this content even that
you're putting out this the stuff is Evergreen so it's here tonight obviously for all of us to enjoy live but it
doesn't go away tomorrow and so it's still going to be here and this is a chance for people
to hang out with some of the the greatest Minds that you know they're they're ever going to have a chance to
and alongside that it's all people that love astronomy as much as we do and we've pretty much gone as far down the
rabbit hole I think as you can so you know that's saying saying a lot but uh no man I think it's really great
and I think that uh you know space we're seeing it more and more because of social media because of these these
large vehicles for audiences you know it's it's just growing rapidly more
rapidly than I think any of us ever could have imagined and mainly because of astrophotography yeah maybe more
rapidly than any time in humanity you know so there's certainly you know there's
there's those of us that are have not had the uh the astronomy experience yet but
there are more people like yourself uh who are doing uh Outreach and astronomy
uh you know and um I think people like yourself um and Carries another example in fact
all the people that are on global Star Party are prime examples of people that have uh made a change in their lives to
um continue on the exploration they're on this journey and all the rest of it but they are turning on all these other
people onto it so it's it is uh um it is uh it's important and I think
for a life it's a mission for us yeah yeah it is and it's it's one of those
things I think that um you know it it really started at least for me you know
I got into visual astronomy first I know you still do quite a bit of visual astronomy and I still I still love it
you know I have a job here that I still use all the time I just I've never got for visual you know it's like I love refractors for the contrast they give
you they're just perfect telescopes for visual but also Dobbs just you can get so much aperture you know for the money
with Dobbs and then you just get these big views of things that otherwise you'd never be able to see I love visual
astronomy but the problem with visual astronomy is it's not it's not really a shareable experience the way that
astrophotography is I mean it is in the sense that you can get these amazing views that excitement is contagious but
you're limited to whatever your ability to go out and explain what it is you saw
to somebody you can explain the Galaxy or try to describe it the best you can maybe draw it if you're talented in that
way but with Astro photography there's none of that necessary it's like you take the photo you have high resolution
image with more detail than you would have seen visually in most cases especially with narrow band filters with
the emission nebulae and it's like you're not limited to the 160th or 130th
of a second of the human eye exposure you can capture as much light as you want for as long as you want and then
put this image out there that then shares it in a more meaningful capacity I feel like than what any of us are
limited to with our explanations of it and I think that's what's changing is that cameras have gotten better
telescopes and cameras both have gotten less expensive um and you know quality goes up cost
goes down so the barrier for entry is far lower which means more people can do it and on top of that it's being shared
through social media in a way that's not descriptive but instead you know it's
illuminated through imagery and I think that's what that's what really lit the fire for the explosion of astronomy
interest that and then of course things like James Webb and the other amazing advances that have been made but the
more that people put this stuff out there again it's Evergreen content people can find it at three o'clock in the morning so
I think that um you know it's going to continue that direction and I I would be very very surprised if we don't see this
be something that we see more and more talks being done on large large stages
and large-scale talks and uh you know mass media even picking up a lot of coverage of this stuff yeah that's right
that's right so you know uh definitely you have uh I think done uh you know a
wonderful job of explaining uh to people what this shift is like and and how that
can really affect someone's life um and you have turned on many many
people through your podcast through uh your your video blogs uh that you did as
well and that you continue to do um and I'm curious but you know what are
next steps for you what what do you envision you know five years down the
road 10 years down the road what are you doing with all of this so for me personally or where do I see
the industry you personally me personally uh yeah so we've got uh multiple businesses in
astronomy right now there's one that uh you know we've we've started that uh is
called our sky that you know we're really excited about trying to share this on a larger scale that incorporates
AI I think AI just like with everything I mean it's going to be the future of a lot of this not just with data
acquisition but data identification which objects there are actually of important value
um all of that stuff it's really hard to sort through the data I mean universities gather a lot of data but the problem we hear is often the same
which is just once we have all of this what do we do with these terabytes who's going to sort through it all right so
there's a lot of opportunity um but yeah I mean this is this is where
I live man is in this space with uh astronomy and so trying to share this my
personal mission I mean those are professional missions my personal mission is uh you know to just make it
accessible and that's what a lot of the Ted Ted uh tedx talk was about is just creating access to this sharing it and
making it something for people that otherwise would never have had access which is where I was for 27 years of my
life um you know creating that first instance that can be life-changing where somebody
can see something for the first time the things we all start to take for granted like seeing the moon for the first time
through a telescope or that's right anything anything you know that simple it's creating access to those things so
I've been working with um local cities and uh universities to build
observatories and then give away access to the time you know I've got um I mean
too many now but I guess five uh 30
roughly 30 telescopes on remote observatories wow wow yeah the 2023 on
uh my property here you know that are on uh they're remotely operated that can
allow people just to log into and you know if you watch the talk I know you did Scott but there's a 12 year old kid
that logged in from 2500 miles away and took this I mean it's the best image I
have on my Instagram and it wasn't even mine it was it it's a 12 year old kid you know but I think that's what it's
about is like we need to find ways to pass the Baton you know not to prove
that it's been heavy but instead you know to to show like this is this is where we've gotten in that this could
support with support can go even further and pass it to children to take this further than we were able to because
whether we like it or not they're going to they already are and I think with just just a few opportunities you know
these kids can really push the boundaries of of what it is we love we don't we don't know where the next
genius is going to come from you know and we got some I I remind people
um that uh you know we have big problems to solve and yeah humans have big
problems to solve and it will be solved with uh you know uh Concepts uh born out
of engineering and Science and uh you know to make sure that we all can live
on to have even longer lives and healthier lives you know yeah and
interesting lives you know that it would uh it would be a pity for us to uh to
extend our lives and for to somehow become mundane and boring you know so I I I
think uh like you that um AI is going to play a huge role in this and it's going
to allow us to be more time to be creative yeah I think so and I think it's it's a
way to connect people you know I'm not I know the vast majority of these talks and and rightfully so are about science
as you know from I mean even your time here visiting and things it's just it's not that's not my passion at all it's
the philosophy side of this that I really dig into and love but I think there's so many different lenses you can
view this through and every one of them is productive I haven't found anything anytime somebody started talking to me
about astronomy I haven't found it to be like oh yeah that was really unproductive or negative it's generally
always something that's uplifting it's inspiring and it's something that whether it's just a celebration of
creativity or you know pushing the The Cutting Edge of science I think it's something that has tremendous value and
so you know obviously it's a mission it's a mission worth pursuing and pushing and um sure you know when you
ask like where I think I'll be I think that's that's pretty I'm pretty certain that's where I'm gonna be Scott I think
that's right yeah that's right that's cool well Dustin thanks for coming on
um today's program and uh um give the give the uh um uh you know
the Ted Talk a watch I will I will find it and put it into chat
um also there was somebody wanting to know how uh they could get in touch with you I recommended they go through the
opt website yeah yeah that Instagram I'm pretty easy to find
um you know Instagram Facebook whatever uh you know however is easiest my name is Dustin Gibson but however I can help
Reach Out happy to help any way I can and if you've got ideas for ways to do it better by all means let's just let's
do it let's give access to people where we can and I saw one of my good buddies Robert just jumped in they're there
well Scott thanks for having me man it's always good to see you and uh thanks for everything you do and everyone else here
as well love love all the talks so thank you I'll see you next time that's great okay well we let's um Carrie Let's uh
bring on Maxie filari's yeah maxi falies
yeah so I have been asking Maxi about his talk now because I know what he huh
unless someone says very good my last name
said it correctly huh yeah yeah it's finally it is like is it like right yes
exactly I'll just have to listen to it a few more times and I'll I'll get it I
promise no I don't that's not a problem it's so uh insane and so again changing
that you started doing this that I was telling you that I have so many friends that do like this deep sky
astrophotography and that can believe that you can do it without cell phone and actually you have it like Astro
modified right yes I wow I was working with a cell
phone in with a Huawei P10 plus that I bought very cheap because the camera doesn't
work but the lens doesn't work but the sensor of the camera works and I
remember before that that I was practicing with the Samsung S4 Mini to all cell phones
and I also grabbed out the the lens put
it on a Max Hotel telescope and start to do like a planetary camera some pictures
of uh the moon Jupiter and also Saturn you know and that's even working with a
one meter and a half almost a focal length of that telescope it's
practically you have in there the planets but and also the the size of the
sensor is pretty small anyway I I have this another cell phone a new one and I
tried to do the same uh working on the Newtonian telescope uh
grabbing out the lens that it doesn't work but the sensor works so I started to do some disgae objects a Galaxy's
nebulous but uh
the sensor is pretty small so I have like I'm really soon in the field of
view okay so I decided to continue in doing pictures with the cell phone uh
only with the lens above um ocular
so I was doing almost a year so I get a
I remember I get a new camera an icon and then I started to go in more
kind of professional but of course I'm an amateur and I'm still practicing I'm
still working or what I uh well I think I I found my way in this in times
that I'm working right now taking pictures of my in my career even I have
a live pollution worthless five or six maybe seven and but doing with a filter like here in
the background we have the pencil nebula he's from the southern hemisphere nearby
in the Villa consolation and this object is really thin to do it
without a filter that grows up the the details of the nebula I try to do it
outside my City without the lens on the color camera but no it doesn't looks the
same so I I did three nights taking this picture of these object
um but what right now I'm still working on it practicing like I say uh anyway I
I I'm doing a astronomy Outreach Of course
when every uh hearing that and she will go where I live or maybe Alberti they
asked me if I can go there to help you know to show what what I do or maybe
um they do a presentation and then we start to do some
views with telescopes newtonia and everything so I can help them to share
with the people that comes and make a line to to see and move the scope and
everything because I really like that so tonight is going to I'm going to present
this uh that that we were doing uh in the
in a couple months I I want to share my screen do you see
it perfect great
so well and like I say in February maybe
it was 15 I think um in the city of Liberty in the
observatory that where I go to do deep Sky objects picture
they invite me because they going to do a
some stargazing watching the the farm sky with both the two and three and also
watching through telescope and chatting and and telling some stories from here
and and well they you know they prepare all these chairs
and this uh well I don't know how to say anything
like a mattress a mattress exactly
and you know here's the sunset pointed to the west and you know
this this night came almost 200 people
and we did inspect that we we expect maybe 50 maybe 70 about 200 people it's
a lot of people to that you have to uh be been talking they ask you some things
and and also you have to um and showing what you're doing with a
telescope whether you're watching explain that and the next one then the same and the next one's the same of
course it doesn't get tired of me because I like to talk I like to talk too much if I if I could I
um at 200 people it's way too much crowded you were alone presenting no no
no no I in this case we we were a four people but anyway it's too much with only two
telescopes one binoculars and you know I put my I I went with my lens and I have
a NASCAR 200 lens to do you know the the the the idea was this ER the
presentation was talking about maybe the comet uh E3 and they were going to watch
it through two telescopes and then they're going to be with me then I'm
going to show them how it looks like taking with a picture that is live right
now you know but no it wasn't wasn't possible I arm my equipment
maybe for nothing but I didn't care because uh the experience to have that
contact with the people and and how the children ask you things how curious
curious is a are they and I remember a little girl that uh bring his little
small telescope and she asked me how to use it when I was using the another one
to a lot to the another person but I I said to her wait me a minute and I'm
still um and explaining this but I we're going to to see what you what you bring so
more later uh the the moon rise up and
she couldn't point with the telescope of the moon I I show
how to do it in the single way for example and how she can
do focus with a small eyepiece anyway but she was really impressive and that's
the important about that and well here's yeah I I have the same t-shirt I think
here's me I was putting my my equipment my little
equipment because I I was working I finished my work here in chilikoi I have
my things in a in my car and I drove 40 kilometers to Alberti so I can go there
and prepare and you know and in this case you can see there's a
lot of people sitting but we expected maybe a little bit more but it was
unbelievable here's an example well then they
um turn off these lights because uh the the sky was really clean we didn't have
smoke we didn't have well we we have some close to the South uh the Water
side is going to the east so they will not going to bother us and well we did
start gazing and telling stories and you know it was for all the people
and more later I I remember I was almost 3 00 am
I've been there and then I went to my home and then another day go to work and
well this is a picture that I took when everyone goes out and this light
this is not from lights from the the place is it from the moon
you can see how much brighter is because it was a devious moon
but passing the full moon almost but anyway I saw the the Stars so
I stay with a well Marcos Santa Rosa that he was he's the director of this
place and he invited to me and also was the mayor of Alberti and they are really
friends but also came a people of the province of my government or my my my
brahmins to this place without saying anything
that you're going to be there of like formal occasionally they went to
put some tents and go to sleep and do Camp things so I invited to them and
their family to take this selfie now I put a table put my cell phone and you
know like like Imaging and take a 30 second picture and of course I say
nobody moves in 30 seconds please don't breathe nothing and we I was counting you know a one two
three I I finally the 30 and I when I say
um I think we can move now and everybody starts laughing because it was like a
stone like this and with a breathing almost um now I think this was the best picture
and here uh the West is Orion Bells
here's the m42 region and of course the
telescope it was the real I didn't expect this
um I don't have to say a inquiry this Frame the frame framing yeah
because I was I couldn't see it perfect right I mean look at that the belt of
Orion is kind of lined right up there yeah actually
is it like a statue the telescope you can see it's perfectly
detail because it doesn't move it doesn't move at all yeah but anyway well
here's is Marcos Santa Rosa
and these people that came to stay the night and you know they have a really
good time we were chatting about of course Stars every team showing the moon and they took pictures with their cell
phone I and you know and watching the moon with a eight inches telescope is
impressive of course I told them when you watch it through the telescope prepare to be blamed for a couple of
minutes so uh well anyway this was yes Maxi uh what
objects uh do you think that were like the most popular yeah among the kids
that depends of the light pollution depends of the well of course the the
sky and and the time of the year for example now in the summer here we have
m42 that is the king of the to to try to watch it uh you know through a telescope
of course you have to measure the field of view that um maybe of course if you have a focal
length very large maybe you you don't have all the the detail or maybe all the
the the the shape of the name maybe the the center and that's all and of course
you will need diameter to bring out more light and see more details and of course
if the if you don't doesn't have light pollution you start to see some kind of
colors a little bit but anyway it's amazing and of course
and I remember watching uh with the dobsonia and it's interest telescope
galaxies like it was kind of picture negative of course but I I saw that the
shape for example the sculpture Galaxy um but but for the people you were helping
to stargaze what was the the objects like the favorite one that they wanted
to to see besides the moon no they they they didn't know about
almost anything because they went to like Curious they want to see what is
going on there and of course we told them we
had the to to watch the the green comment that the media says so oh we
want to see the green comment we want to see okay of course no problem but you're going you will not going to see it like
that you're going to see like in this shape with this kind of and maybe the
all the people that I showed them it was I don't know 80 that they could see the
nucleus and the coma and then of course I show when they saw it on the telescope
I show a picture that I took a couple of days ago to see what they saw and then they
realized what they saw and give like a shape I mean you know because they don't
know how to watch it really deep Sky objectives so maybe if you have images
to show them later they will bring some kind of shape and they and give form of
what they saw uh but and did it happen in Argentina that the in the news and all the media
they were talking about this the green comet in here it was like that so everybody were asking me like what about
the green comedy there are like many comets that are green so what can I say
but the media is like wow the green comment the green Comet exactly try to
see it they say oh it's not that green oh it's that's not that huge
yes uh you know I was taking pictures with the lens and I remember
watch a real feel of you and the small comments but when I put it within with
the telescope uh this is the I I process again this two days ago not four days
ago and this is inadverty for example and you
can see the nucleus there and the stars but they only see
this and maybe a little one two three stars and that's all and of course the
moon was Rising so the the the contrast of the background it kills you they have
to watch that so so I I I don't know if I answer your
question Kelly no no it's about that like um how media and how the news uh talk
about uh astronomical events and they offer it like a marketing thing like a
degree income in here was like that so everybody were like I need to see the green comment like there were no other
green comets or they were all no other comets it was like uh the news like all
the week you said what about the green Comet uh and I was like okay okay I
remember the new wise they they were we couldn't see here
no in here there were some fake astral
photographies that appear like around there and they say hey I got it like with a single image with all the the
tail and and all the other stars were like very punctual and you think oh no
this is smells fake yeah you know I remember the media was
saying oh maybe we can see it there is some media they say no maybe we'll see it or maybe we'll not we have to be see
in the past 10 days but the another one said no we can see it because in another it's always and we're going to see it
and everything I didn't see any everything I remember went to the farm and where did what it
is no that's it now okay but then we have the Leonardo Comet uh at the at the
finals of uh 2021 in December that when it appears in the
Saudi Arabia is going to it was going to to show more uh light and details and
tell you know and and I I could I could see it uh even in my backyard and even
of course with a telescope but uh yeah in the afternoon when the Sun goes down
but we have this uh Clarity even I could I could see it so
in this case they didn't even um put it on the media to say oh we have a
comment but I think why is that because of course in the northern
hemisphere they started to do the news and say we can see this
so when we received the news from the northern they want to do the same but
in this case the Lionel in the northern hemisphere it wasn't pretty much brighter like like it was it was here so
in that case they didn't give uh what I don't want to say anything bad that
always happened to us here in the southern hemisphere so were the people
that knows about this stuff they say okay we're going to see the Leonard we we do some publishing but
for the 99 of the population they even care about that they don't know about
that but when they see it on the media oh look at
and I think that's why well continuing with the what what I was
doing and helping in this case this is a [Music]
park where you can go there with your children and play with stuff games with
in the like every Park in every place in the world but this part particularly is
a relationship with astronomy because it's a
basically oriented to the north east west and South Poles they have lunar
games they have a positional and equatorial games that you can break but
or you can do for example but when you go there there are many people that
don't know that so they build this like a map
you can see for example here's the entrance you
enter from here now in the number one and you can see a lot of QR codes so you
can scan it and this go leaves you to a page there they have videos to explain
about that game you know and here's the the central part of the
park here's the the entrance of the
place of multiple uses like they say zoom in Salon those are multiples but
also you can go there to this balcony like a caracal stair that is a ramp to
all everyone goes there but uh in all these places you have a
all kind of games and of course you have the references here for each other
but of course this is in Spanish and and they asked me if I want to give
you a little or give you a picture to put it of course and I remember a
picture that I took of the gorilla mistran nebula you know Carrie what I
think once and is the a poetry from Chile
and and the the people that build this uh well this is a plane
they put a reference of or a poetry of that she wrote and put a picture that I
did here in my backyard in chemical so I'm really grateful for that because
it's like a little recognition and I can say I'm being part of this a
little bit a little bit you know but anyway I'm glad to to be part and help
to share my my pictures to another ones so what uh the purpose of of that day
was two things one to present the videos to the people that went there scan and
see what is going on but also the The
Well of course the two events were great but the and that day we have a Jupiter
occult a Jupiter quotation by the moon
so well in this case it came a lot of people I'm glad for that
where he's a friend of mine ISO that he brings his telescope and he was of
course helping to to show and and to watch the events
and I bring my full equipment equipment to because in this case
um yeah I I thought there were going to be a lot of people but even it's pretty
short to watch it when the Jupiter goes uh by the moon so I say to Armando
sandanel the director of one he's no longer the director of the park but I say I talked to him I can share my
screen from watching in video live so you can put it on a projector
and everyone can watch the events actually happening in that moment
so well we could do that well you can
see it it's a lot of people like game or here's my equipment I my computer and
was connecting to this computer here and and projecting to to play and you can
see I'm pointing to this place in this case this is the moon and I remember it was like a smoke or clouds and and then
of that the moon goes out but anyway I'm I was still pointing so in a moment
I remember to the the moon show up almost right there
between the cables between the lights and everything and then I could capture
the moment that Jupiter comes again and to see it
so this is a a picture that I recognize of
the moment that it starts in the position you can see the the crescent moon shape a month ago but also here you
can see should be there and the the border of the Moon you know and when you
complete all that you see all the circle circumference of the of the Moon
and then this is not a very good picture because it was almost I remember it was
five degrees above the Horizon between clouds between everything that you want
to think but anyway I could capture the moment that could be there starts to comes out
again so uh this is was a really good night and
well I I remember there are lots of people went there they they
have a good time the weather was okay even that and then we did
um of course observations and everything but
uh well that I think that's that's all for tonight
maybe no I'm sorry sorry but continue more later I'm going to to share what
I'm doing right now because I I'm taking pictures to a place of course that David a eicher a name a
couple minutes ago and I See Molly right now here and she will like what I'm taking
pictures right now so let's have a feel for that from now maybe more later I
will come back thanks Maxi and that's so cool to to thank you thank
you to you Katie and congratulations for the apple and thanks
thanks a lot and you're a good communicator that's that's great we have
to improve our skills in English Maxi we have to keep practicing if you don't do it
that's great okay so um let's uh uh we've got more to come
here so let's let's move along we have uh um yeah we have now rubber reefs Robert
Reeves right and so Robert Reeves is uh you know he's been so kind to to come on
to Global star party and he started um uh you and I didn't have a lot of
time to talk about this uh ahead of time Carrie but uh uh Robert uh is
actually known all over the world for his lunar uh Imaging and stuff but he
has a deep history in astrophotography and uh he is
um he's one of the movers and shakers of the Texas Star Party uh he is a
Celestron Ambassador uh he's an explore Alliance Ambassador as well and um so he
he came to me with this idea of doing something called postcards for the moon and uh you're going to learn something
tonight he is uh he he is really going to take a deep dive into what the moon
is all about well uh thank you very much for going
first can you hear me yeah we can hear you fine okay perfect it's always a grand experiment to see if I've
successfully connected to zoom um but uh I do appreciate the opportunity to come on and chat about
the moon it's uh um uh Scott says it's kind of my specialty although I I'm spread
um equally in other parts of astrophotography I am more well known for my lunar work and I enjoy
popularizing the Moon it kind of lost favor with the astronomy Community when
deep Sky became a more um or available Target back in the 1970s
when uh well the company that I work for Celestron came out with the uh Celestron 8 telescope very portable telescope
where people could travel out into dark sky and enjoy uh deep Sky they didn't
have to Lug these cumbersome Newtonian uh equatorial telescopes that were
typical of the day and the Deep Sky became very popular and people kind of
forgot about the moon uh NASA went to the moon conquered the moon uh men
walked on the moon and then for political reasons we stopped going to
the moon and um the Moon fell out of favor from the amateur Community but the the Moon is
very much a very Dynamic uh very available Target uh you don't need the
dark sky uh the moon laughs at light pollution uh you can observe the moon anytime it's in the sky
so uh it's a very viable Target and the geology on it is amazing it's the only
world that we can see in an amateur telescope and resolve kilometer
resolution on another planet and we can do this from our own backyard
so uh last week I spoke a little bit about the creation of the Moon uh how
the moon's face came into being and we discussed a little bit about how the moon was named over the ages how uh
various naming systems came and went out of favor and how we now have adopted the
series of uh the naming scheme for naming the moon but today I want to talk about craters
um I realized when I put my slides together that I did not have something explaining the origin or the creation of
the craters uh that we'll talk about their geology anyway uh but basically uh
don't get the idea of the craters on the moon are like bullet holes um well like uh shooting a gun at a wall
and bang it makes a little hole in the wall now craters on the mud are created by a different process uh the asteroids
the Comets that impact the moon are traveling at what we call Cosmic velocities
speeds in excess of the escape velocity of the Earth uh this can be anywhere
from 7 to 20 kilometers per second of these impact speeds and at that velocity
the impactor doesn't just punch a hole in the moment what happens is it slams
into the moon in such high velocity that the kinetic energy is instantly turned
into heat the kinetic energy of the impact is instantly turned into heat and it vaporizes the impactor with such
force that the vaporization acts like a bomb so the incoming asteroid or Comet could
come at any angle straight down at an angle at a slant and once it impacts and
explodes it will create a round crater because it's the explosion of the vaporization of the impactor that
creates the crater uh if it were just a simple bullet hole type thing a majority of the craters on
the moon would be elongated from from a physical impact but it's not the
physical impact that creates the crater it's the explosion of a vaporization of
the impactor that creates the crater therefore we end up with a majority of craters appearing round and now another
grand experiment we'll try to share screen and uh see if I can make things work and
grab okay are we seeing a picture of the full
moon uh seeing thumbnails right now oh great okay here's here's
you should just uh share your whole screen instead of the folder so that um
I'm trying to do that I need to stop and research okay uh stop sharing yeah and
uh full screen view now how do I get back to where I was
without leaving hit the share screen button on the bottom of the dialogue you
know okay I'm there and then hit um like screen one
instead of the folder say screen one or desktop or a screen
two or something like that that's for Scott so that's the folder
um he selected the folder I think instead of full screen oh okay
[Music] I on the on the list of um where it shows
all right that works perfect got it okay well like I said I'm I'm very much a
zoom rookie uh uh every every time I try to do this screen share it just goes to
worms on me anyway so we're talking about types of craters on the moon uh we look up at the moon and the you know the
average person sees yeah a lot of bumps and holes in the uh on the moon uh yeah yeah like potholes in the road out in
front uh C1 crater you're seeing them all but the farthest thing from the truth each one has its own individual
personality uh craters on the moon okay now why is it my
there we go craters on the moon um follow a geologic sequence you know
uh we're we're used to Stars being uh classified by a main sequence where
we've got uh stars going from from red to blue uh in the uh uh in the in the uh
main sequence of stars how we categorize them the same thing with the craters on the moon there is a main sequence uh not
quite as many categories just three but uh any crater that is smaller than about
16 to 21 kilometers in diameter is just a simple bowl-shaped crater the Dynamics
of the impact will only uh create the the this dish shaped uh depression of
the Moon a crater larger than 16 to 21 kilometers the Dynamics of the impact
the rebound of the explosion uh uplifts the center or or the the Bedrock
underneath the crater explosion and it forms a central Peak and then when the
craters finish being composed uh typically the physical
strength of the lunar soil and Bedrock is not enough to sting and sustain the
shape so the crater collapses the walls tumble down into a series of terraces uh
then if we have a crater that is larger than 300 kilometers but we don't call it a crater at all then it becomes a basin
we talked about basins last week when we were talking about the creation of the Maria on the moon uh the Mario all lie
within basins um large craters greater than 300 kilometers in diameter
so some typical examples simple craters like Helicon and leverier up on the
mara embrym near the opening of uh the Horseshoe Bay of sinus rhythm
um look very much like you took a giant ice cream scoop and just scooped out a chunk on the moon
complex graders copyricus being a very typical one um
like I said the impact Rebound in the Bedrock raises up a
central Peak and the walls of the crater collapse and Tumble down into the into
the interior of the crater in a series uh creating a series of terrorists uh steps
and then of course we have a greater larger than 300 kilometers Bailey being an uh an example uh it's called a basin
now uh Bailey was traditionally categorized as a crater before we
understood the nature of basins the concept of basins on the moon really
wasn't firmly established until the Space Age so uh all these old craters named back
in the 1600s some of them we keep the Legacy and uh
still call it a crater but Bailey is indeed a basin it's uh about three kilometers
larger than the minimum size for a basin so moving on uh some complex crater
examples again featuring the central Peak and the collapsed Terrace walls uh
Pythagoras up in the Northeast uh gymnast just above Murray Christian over on the east side of the moon and moretus
down near the South Pole um all a very similar geologic form the
uh pronounced Central Peak the collapsed Terrace walls give a talk here so uh so
I may have to give a talk uh Seth we can hear you it's going to stay here I'll give you a call as soon
as I'm done okay okay thanks
[Laughter] uh Seth you need the mute when you're on
the phone okay moving on here
um one thing we notice about uh some craters on the moon uh they uh are
surrounded by this bright ray pattern and uh what this is is an indication
that crater is fairly Young running a lunar geologic uh scale generally less than a billion years old
uh crater rays are composed of pulverized glassy material thrown out of
the crater by the explosion that created it and over a period of about a billion
years the constant tilling and gardening of the lunar regolith by micrometeorite
impacts and the effect of um similar radiation and solar flares uh
will eventually erase a crater Race So if crater doesn't have Rays it's
automatically probably over a billion years old if it has greater raise it is a youngster yeah a billion years or a
little younger now um the uh material that make up Rays uh
like I say glassy material it's very similar to the material that they use on
the interstate highway signs that make it very reflective to your headlights you can generally read a highway sign on
a Interstate at a much greater distance than what your headlights are normally
Illuminating the the sign you see this uh the writing on the sign long before you can even recognize the sign in your
headlights so uh this glassy material is very good at reflecting light
directly back toward its source on the highway it's your car headlights and
therefore you get to see the sign very well if in the case of crater Rays on
the moon it is reflecting light back toward its source the Sun so uh during the full
moon rays are brightest near the full moon because the Earth is lined up between the Moon and the Sun and we see
this reflected sunlight from the ray material coming back toward us
and uh Tycho has the largest race system on the moon uh spanning about 2200
kilometers across the Southern Highlands and uh Tycho is formed we think about
10708 million years ago uh it's one of the true youngsters on the
moon and uh there's a mystery uh notice the uh parallel rays extending up toward
the Northwest they don't seem to come to a common focus at the middle of Taiko where you
expect normal um uh Rays to radiate out from the middle
of the impact uh their parallel rays that seem to be almost tangential to the greater Rim so a little curiosity about
what's going on there what what created these parallel rays and another
type of Ray is a monodirectional or a butterfly rape when we see
monodirectional race such as those extending from missier and missier a
or the butterfly pattern extending from proclus on the on the right this is an
indication of a very oblique impact extremely shallow Angle now notice the
uh the shallow impact still created the round crater but the ray pattern is different I had a very very low
inclination impact no raid material splashes back in the director a direction that the impactor arrived from
so we end up with these butterfly Ray patterns splattered off to the side instead of a a fan of raised completely
surrounding the the crater
now another class of craters here are called secondaries now these are created
by the impact of ejecta thrown by the explosive formation of the parent crater
now secondary craters are shallow because the impact speed of a secondary the the projectile to create a secondary
cannot be higher than the 2.4 kilometer escape velocity of the Moon otherwise
the projectile blown out of the primary crater would go into solar orbit and never fall back down so uh if it's got a
uh ejection velocity of under 2.4 kilometers is going to come back down
it's going to make a hole um now secondary craters often lay in
linear chains and we can see this very evident in the northern regions above
Copernicus let's see ropia-like chains or linear chains that
taper off in a bird's foot pattern with a bird's foot uh pattern uh facing away
from the direction the impactors came from we think a majority of the craters on
the moon that are under 20 kilometers in diameter may be secondaries from larger
impacts but the secondary craters can appear hundreds of kilometers from the primary impact so associating a
particular 20 kilometer diameter crater with a specific parent crater hundreds
of kilometers away it's it's a tough sled so uh we really have no way to pin
those down now not all craters are round there are
elongated craters on the moon but for different reasons like uh Hainesville in
the upper left a peanut-shaped crater this is actually over several overlapping circular craters and the
same with radiator e the keyhole shaped crater um
overlapping successive impacts but Schiller out of the southwestern portion of the
moon is a single oblique impact that must have been spectacular when that
happened uh Schiller is almost 170 kilometers long If This Were translated
this length were translated into the diameter of a round crater Schiller would be among the top 10 largest
craters on the moon so it's a very unique and a very unusual object
um other craters that are around we've got Anna zabander up in the north uh kind of a valentine shape
heart-shaped Apparition again two over two overlaying craters the same with
miton a four-leaf clover I call it my lunar good luck charm and again the
overlapping for overlapping craters where uh Basin
ejecta buried the interior of the craters and buried their their overlapping rims so now we only see a
four-leaf clover shape uh Agrippa and golden near the middle of the Moon a
grip on top uh bell-shaped excuse me bullet shaped and golden on the bottom a
very distinctly bell-shaped looked like The Clapper hanging out the bottom of the bell at the southern end of it
uh four fractured craters they started out as typical
um complex graders Central Peak collapsed Terrace walls but the floor Factor
craters typically reside near the rims of Maria and
the impact that created these creators shattered the crust underneath the crater it allowed uh Subterranean magma
Chambers the same magma chambers that fed the lava eruptions that created the Mario also flow up through the fractures
in the bottom of the crater and fill the crater with with Basalt from below the
lava does not spill over the edge of the crater and iterate but it comes up from underneath and as this volcanic uplift
pushes the floor of the crater up we end up with these rather unique
fracture patterns within the crater uh gazendi being a very prominent one
bocidonius up on mars or initatus Atlas crater uh
up on the northeast side of the moon all have these uh very pronounced real patterns crack patterns within them
uh ghost craters these are craters that existed on the
bottom or within a basin prior to the lava flooding that created the Maria
within the Basin and as the lava flooding filled the Basin it covered over pre-existing craters so uh uh we we
end up with some of them that survive only by the very crown of the rim
protruding through the basalt cover uh Lamont over near the Apollo 11 Landing
site I'm Mario serenatus it is completely covered but uh shallow enough that wrinkle ridges in the uh in the
lava flow are frozen in place and show us the form the original form of Lamont
buried under the serenithatus lavas uh stadius crater up near Copernicus it's
actually laying in the copernican or should I say the Copernicus secondary crater field is laying on top of it but
we still see the circular rim of stadius protruding the same with flamsteed peep
oh 60 almost a 100 kilometer diameter crater uh buried by procellarum basalts
and now all we see are the the crowns of the Crater Rim protruding through the
basalt um Katina what is a
scientific name for a Crater Chain now uh is David Levy still there or is he
exited he is uh probably a very well-known example of some of his work
very well in an old example of how a container is created on the moon because remember back in the 1990s Shoemaker
Levy nine whacked into Jupiter and we could see it bombing down on Jupiter one
one chunk at a Time Boom Boom Boom well imagine the same thing happening on the
moon a uh uh Comet or an asteroid Rubble pile asteroid gets broken up by Earth
Gravity the moon's gravity and doesn't hit in one solid chunk but in his dead uh Rains Down Like A String of Pearls or
or a stick of bombs dropped by a World War II bomber and creates this linear
chain of craters so uh there was a number of those containerable Theta uh
container daily container Mueller all of these very easily seen in a uh in a
backyard telescope so we're going to wrap this thing up by uh uh looking at uh
variations of craters along one line of longitude On The Moon
60 degrees east which is right at the uh the waxing or excuse me the waning
gibbous moon uh along the Terminator where Sunset is so
we're going to March down the Terminator and see the The Marvelous variations of
craters that we see at very low Sun elevations accentuates the elevation of
the features makes the relief appear where we could easily see the features of these uh De La Rue crater right in
the center 136 kilometers in diameter pre-nectarian means it's one of the
oldest craters on the moon uh it uh was in place before the great impacts
that created the basins that later became uh the uh filled with lava and
became a Maria a little bit further south uh indymion 126 kilometers in diameter larger than
Plato but the uh it's a Plato wannabe because it filled up with Basalt
completely smoothed over the interior much like Plato looks like a giant parking lot no signs of the original uh
floor or the central Peak so we've been completely covered over with Basalt fill further down masala and I'm going to say
that if you hear the name masala and the first thing that comes to mind is the classic
1959 movie Ben Hur well you're my age the youngsters probably don't know what
I'm talking about but the Masala was been her's Nemesis in in the movie Ben
heard you'd have been hers uh lifelong nemesis uh
but if you're not my age you probably don't know what I'm talking about so we'll move on uh gymnas
um a little bit younger eratosthenian apoc means it could be up to about 3 billion years old but uh here we're looking at a
more classic less ruined crater we've got you know the classic form of the
central Peak collapsed Terrace walls uh cleome is just uh above Maria
um chrysium on the east east limb of the Moon uh nectarian
almost four billion years old partially filled with Basalt do we see a
little bit of a real structure and it is four fractured greater as well uh languidus another eratosthenian uh
very classic structure of collapsed terraced walls and Central Peak very
prominent Central Peak vendelinus further south pre-nectarian very old
probably over more than four billion four billion years old wow Octavius
ambrian could be almost 4 billion years old but the
cute thing about batavius is that radial rule protruding outward Western from the
central Peak out to the rim and then yet another rule that is
slicing through the Western um wall of the crater no no no features
like this uh this is unique such a precise linear reel within a crater it
says batavius is the only one that shows an example of this and uh finally uh sinelius stephenis
fernerius uh the older ones more degraded ones
obviously very old nectarian of 3.8 to 3.9 billion years old and then savinus
in between them uh copernican apoc less than a million years old newcomer
there's a new kid on the Block so uh just about anywhere you look on the moon you're going to see such a
variation of craters so none of them are the same they're not just boring bumps
and holes in the moon they each have a story to tell their form informs us about their
history and geology uh their age once you understand how to read a crater
look at its form you could take a pretty good guess as to how old it is so uh it's it's a uh a fun thing to do
understanding um who's new on the Block what's been
there for ages what overlaps what um if it's craters on top of another one
is obviously younger if it's heavily heavily degraded uh it's it's probably
nectarian pre-nectarian so understanding uh the geology of it lets you understand
the very nature of the face of the Moon they're just not all the same thing they're very very unique each very
different each with its own story to tell and I hope the next time you look at the Moon you you kind of recognize
some of these features and begin to make friends with these things because each one has an individual personality like a
different person in the room so I think that is my file yep that is definitely my file slide
so uh that's about all I have to say about craters tonight because uh I think I
started late and I'm ending late so uh we'll leave it at that okay well Robert thank you so much man
thank you my pleasure we'll talk about another aspect of the Moon next week yeah absolutely I look forward to it all
ready okay all right well uh we are going to take a 10 minute break and
we're going to come back um with um uh Dr Seth shostak from seti I'm
really excited about this Seth always gives a fantastic talk so back in just a
few minutes grab a sandwich or a cup of coffee or what have you and we'll be right back with you
got the moon up in my Edge HD to show off a little bit before
I start my talk after this one okay let's go take a look at the you
want to see it a little bit you want to show it now yeah all right let's do it
and then pop that up there there we go nice so this is on my uh Celestron Edge
HD nine and a quarter and yeah I was going to use my camera lens to see
the moon and Mars together um because they're kind of close but I have the wrong filter in to do it and
changing the filter in there is non-trivial so um oh well but again let's look at the
Moon up close I might go over to Mars here momentarily
great I've really been looking at that uh the lineup of the planets recently so
I love it when the general public gets excited about uh astronomy and they go
out and make a point of uh observing the sky yeah
Molly you have a really good scene right now I think I sure do I should take some videos while I'm here yeah
maybe you can zoom in and then do a mosaic yeah let me find
a nice spot here
let's see while you're looking for that that looks nice um for those of you who
are not familiar with such a stack he is uh the senior astronomer at seti at The
seti Institute that would be the search for extraterrestrial intelligence Seth
uh Seth talks often have to do with uh life the search for life elsewhere in
the universe and he is uh you know it's it's fabulous
he's coming on here he has uh um it says here in his bio that uh
or what's written about him on Wikipedia that uh you know he's hosted several
um uh podcasts and radio shows and has played himself numerous times in
television and Internet film dramas I love that um he's acted in several science fiction
films as well um but uh you know to get to know Seth
you will find out he is one of the most friendly uh uh astronomers around and um
we're going to learn something tonight from him so that's going to be great
awesome you know for me it's a pleasure to be with selfie because like David
Levy I so saw him in a lot of documentaries on TV when I was a child
about the universe and about the life out there and
being with him right now with here now I can believe it so my pleasure that's
what our community is all about though you know so that's really it's that this is what makes the astronomy Community
the greatest community on on Earth I think
Beatrice Hines from Belgium uh says I've seen Seth shostak several times on
television and in documentaries about astronomy
by the way Scott can I ask you this uh how long should I monitor on I I was
told four and a half hours but what's this Friday keep it down to um you know if
you could do four hours and 15 minutes that'd be all right I guess cut it short no actually uh how long are the
presentations typically I guess we're just taking a five minute break here uh but I do have there is a
little feature um that uh we'll we'll show here of uh
I think it's a Hubble feature which is kind of cool well if you're part of the all-nighters
club staying up four and a half hours wouldn't hurt you know
today like [Music] this image is one of the most iconic of
all Hubble images called Mystic Mountain and uh it is a place of enormously
Active Star formation this entire pillar is about three light
years in duration that's beans it's so long that it takes light traveling at
186 000 miles per second takes it three years to go from bottom
to top and the entire area is filled with this really condensed collection of
dust and gas that's created this Stellar Nursery we're seeing the outside edge here where
the material is heated and evaporating off the surface of the cloud but you
also have Stellar winds that are sculpting this like a like a Michelangelo that would be sculpting a
statue knocking pieces of the nebula off into Interstellar space so you have a
mechanical sculpting process along with a heating process from radiation coming off of the Stars so the two together are
what combine to create this gloriously detailed image
see these Jets coming out of two sides of that top pillar and down here again
those are signatures of stars actually forming material is coming down
collapsing onto the star getting heated up and when it tries to get out it has
to shoot out in Jets this bow shape that is actually a shock
wave from the material in the jet hitting the interstellar medium and heating it up one of one of the best
images I think that we've we've gotten but this one is just the right angle that you get a gorgeous view of it
it's become an iconic image I think for several reasons one is that it has such
incredible detail in there but also because it holds a Fascination as being a place where we can actually see
Stellar systems forming before our eyes it's also famous I think because of its
sheer Beauty I mean there's a lot of Art in Hubble images a large fraction of the value of Hubble is not just to give us
the science data that we need but it's to appreciate the beauty of the universe [Music]
well thanks for hanging in there with us for our short break here and thank you
to Molly for showing us live images of the moon our next speaker is none other than Dr
Seth shostak I have seen him give several talks uh and uh you know Seth
moves uh with the uh you know the elite of uh of astronomy presenters and
astronomy exploration but he also mingles with us amateurs and uh it's
it's wonderful that he's come here to Global Star Party to give a presentation
about the search for life in the universe and
I I just personally love uh hearing Seth with this presentation so uh you know
I'm definitely what you would call a fanboy Seth but thank you thanks again
for for uh blessing us with your presence so
um yeah I was going to say this is the kind of introduction nobody actually wants
because you know now the audience has high expectations you should have said you know he's
actually kind of boring uninteresting and usually wrong that would have been better for the audience listen I've been
trying to get get attention your attention Scott how long should I monitor on I've got uh 400 Pages here
but I I can stay here home it's all yours Seth thank you ma'am
thank you is there no answer to that question no answer well let's see
everybody's just saying hello and and thank you for joining us so I think you
originally had him scheduled for about 15 minutes but um
all right 15 minutes uh I was going to read I have a uh a sheet of paper here
with pie out to 427 decimal places so maybe I'll just read that or maybe I'll
tell you a little bit about uh you know what's what's happening in the field of seti I think you all know that seti is
not a misspelling of my name although it is but you know the search for extraterrestrial intelligence so it's
not just about finding life in space it's finding life that's you know at least as intelligent as your younger
brother in my case that wouldn't be so hard microbes on Mars might be able to do that in any case how do we do that and
what's the latest on that well the way we do it is the way it's been done for a long time now ever since
1960 actually when Frank Drake who was you know a young astronomer just
recently minted from Harvard's uh grad school took a job at the national radio
astronomy observatory in Green Bank West Virginia where they had well they had a an antenna which today is probably the
smallest one there it's an 85 foot diameter uh radio antenna and he was
told by the the director of The Observatory uh Otto struva he was said look Frank you're the new kid on the
Block we got this antenna we just bought it as a kit which is true um think of something to do with it so
it isn't just cluttering up the landscape and uh he decided to do something that was
rather daring he decided he would look for aliens right so he pointed the telescope over the course of two weeks
it's a couple of nearby star systems Epsilon ridney and Tau seti were the names of the stars but you know these
are stars that are about 11 or 12 light years away so pretty close and uh he just monitored them for uh you know for
hours actually hoping to pick up a signal that would tell us that somebody there had a top 40 station and was on
the air now it's conventional to say that well unfortunately Frank didn't hear anything
but that's not true he actually did hear something but uh what he heard was not
uh aliens it was apparently the U.S military which had a plane in the vicinity with radar on it so the US
military did not count as extraterrestrial intelligence or for that matter probably not even domestic
intelligence but the whole idea of doing this was very well received by the
public so before he knew it Frank was in this seti business now uh you many of
you will know this story already there have been lots and lots of uh efforts to try and find the aliens using this
eavesdropping technique whenever I was on the radio telescope I used to study galaxies that way actually that's
another story for another time but in any case you know there were there were times hours in every 24 hours every day
there were a couple hours where there weren't very many galaxies to be seen so
uh I would I still had the telescope and I would just look up the coordinates of some nearby star systems point the
antennas in those directions with the hope that I would pick something up and be remembered long after I shuffle off
this Mortal winding so I I didn't hear the aliens nobody ever has actually so
the idea that they're aliens out there that's very popular particularly with Hollywood but we still don't have any
proof of any life beyond Earth not even microbes on Mars I mean presumably
they're to be found in our own solar system but we haven't done that yet so what about the aliens well do we still
do the old experiment and the answer is yes we do uh so you know what's being
done these days are various experiments with people will you know get some telescope time and and and try and
second guess the aliens about where they're located on the sky and what frequencies they're transmitting at and
what the power levels might be and polarization and a whole bunch of parameters which you have to guess
because lamentably the aliens never sent us an email with all that information on
it so that we could optimize our searches now I'm among those searches
being conducted as we speak or at least as I speak is one at the very large
array the vla down in Northern New Mexico and uh this is a pretty clever
experiment in which some of the incoming signal right well signal incoming Cosmic
static whatever is tapped off from each of the 27 antennas of the very large
array and sent to some electronics that looks for narrow band signals in that
Cosmic static in other words this is sort of a piggyback project uh they it
has a more common and less common name but it's it's called commensal observing but who
knows what commensal Observer really means all it means is that it's piggybacking on conventional
astronomical research to try and find the aliens okay now a question I get a
lot other than you know who invited you here a question I get a lot is well what
would typify an extraterrestrial signal how would you know and you know for the lay public they
figure oh well you're looking for the value of pi or or some other unknown quantity here on Earth that the aliens
are sending our way for our betterment uh that would be kind of disappointing you know you finally find the aliens and
they'll tell you something that you learned about in fifth grade but I mean that's one way to do it but actually the
experiments couldn't even find that because they're not really set up to catch the message that requires uh High
Time resolution right so we don't know whether we what they would be saying what you're trying to do is just find
some frequency on the radio dial where there's an excess of energy in other
words it's a signal and if you find that you know you can probably uh buff your nails and relax for the rest of your
life because you will be forever remembered as the person who found the first evidence that we have some Cosmic
company out there okay so these experiments in some sense are very simple you just point the antenna in a
direction that you think is a promising one like you know in the direction of the nearest 50 or 100 or 500 star
systems star systems presumably that at least have a star that could have habitable plan around it so not an O
type star but you know a g type star maybe an a-type star that kind of thing uh and that's what's normally done
however you could say well wait a minute we don't know where the aliens are hanging out so why are you limiting
yourself to Star systems that are very conventional and the answer to that is well you don't
have to you could just survey the whole sky and that way you won't be missing out simply because you're pointing in
the wrong wrong direction but the trouble with that is it means that at any given position on the sky you know
you're not making a very long exposure to use a term from amateur astrophotography so it's a very short
explosion so you have very little sensitivity so it's much better to point we think much better to point in the
direction of known nearby star systems maybe around g-type stars that kind of thing so what's happening now well to
begin with as I started to mention here the very large array in Northern New Mexico is being used and the way it's
being used is that you simply tap off from the receivers for each of the 27 telescopes there the 27 antennas tap off
a little copy of the signal and put that through special receivers that's that's a great thing to do the other kind of
thing that's being looked for these days is what's called well the discipline is
called Optical seti I don't know if you should say that in public company because I'm not sure that
it's something anybody would want to hear about but Optical setting means you're just looking for flashing alien
lasers coming off somebody's planet in another star system lasers uh you know are a great way to
Signal actually in fact they might be better than radio in some instances because you know they're higher
frequency if you're looking at them as electromagnetic signals they're at higher frequency shorter wavelength and
that means just from information Theory you can get a lot more bits per second on a a flashing laser than you can from
a radio Beacon and if the idea is to educate everybody else in the Galaxy or
maybe sell your used cars to other other worlds or something like that then you
know more bits per second might be a good thing people do look for flashing lasers in the sky uh there are several
experiments The seti Institute has one but also University of California Berkeley has one so that's another
another way to do it now having said all that and I'm getting close to my 15
minutes here but there is the question of whether all of this is the correct thing to do we're
looking for the aliens we don't know where they are we don't know what technology they have but presumably if it's worse than ours we're not going to
find them right so you have to hope that they're doing something that you can find but on the other hand you know are
they going to broadcast anything in his face even a laser beam that they're using to communicate with their you know
space colonies or something like that it may be that it's it's dangerous to do that
right uh and I I don't know whether it's dangerous but you know Stephen Hawking
commented on this once yeah he thought so yeah he thought it might be dangerous um but he didn't have any proof of that
and you know I I don't know whether I think it's dangerous or not personally I think I don't only because the uh the
Lord has arranged for the universe to be really big and as a consequence it's
very hard to be a threat to somebody on another or in another star system that's
really hard it isn't just a matter of having dilithium crystals and causing calling up Scotty in the engine room and
telling him uh warp six Mr Scott or something like that it's very hard to go from one place to another so the amount
of money that it would cost the Klingons to wipe out planet Earth is so high I
figured they're not going to do that they're going to spend their money on something else but be that as it may there is the question of whether anybody
would be broadcasting something and I think that the answer to that is probably yes because otherwise they have
to sort of Camp down the technological efforts of their own Society in a way
that hampers them right for a threat that's only hypothetical and probably not very threatening anyhow so I think
that that could be the case now I'll I'll just finish off by saying something
about an alternative strategy which I I kind of like and that is this I mean we could listen for signals we've been
doing that we'll continue to do that whether they're flashing lasers or flashing radio transmitters or whatever
but on the other hand there's a fundamental fact here that probably plays a role in all this and
that is the universe is three times as old as the Earth is right you know for
those of you who are old enough to remember the Big Bang right that was like 13 billion years ago it was in all
the papers but you know that's that's that's a long time ago right and that means that unless life and intelligence
are very rare if they're if they're if if they're Miracles okay all bets are
off but if they're not a miracle if what's happened on this planet has happened in many other places then the
majority of the aliens out there are are more technically advanced than we are we're the stupid Kids on the Block and
this is something that my neighbors will confirm you know at the drop of a hat but in any case
that's the point that we're not the most advanced we're the least Advanced from their point of view so what might they
be doing that we might find well they might be re-engineering their neighborhoods for example that's just an
example that maybe they build a Dyson Sphere or something like that or maybe they just rearrange the Stars nearby so
that they can get more Stellar energy for their Gusto grabbing Lifestyles whatever but they might be doing
something that we can find simply by being alert get a fact if there's intelligence out
there it might be doing something to rearrange the cosmos and without making any any further assumptions you just
look for things that are unusual I personally think that that's a good strategy it doesn't tell you exactly
what to look for but it does tell you that if you're making pictures of the sky or doing some other astronomical uh
research of you know amateur or professional either way that if you find something that doesn't seem to make
sense it's not explicable uh you know as nature at work then that's a candidate
for looking at in more detail it's something that would prove that the aliens might be out there right okay
okay well I I have a couple of questions for him there were questions in the audience but I think you answered most
of them um I got one all right after you Scott
well uh Seth you made a prediction back in what 2012
that within 24 years that we would find extraterrestrial life what
What were what was behind that right other than to provoke the audience yeah
it was it got three people's attention this was an audience of 850. yes and and
and and I stand by that I would still bet everybody at the price of a cup of coffee that we'll find somebody by 2035
but it you could say it's just wishful thinking or maybe it's because you know Seth you figure you'll be dead by then
you won't have to buy the coffee anyhow or something like that I mean it could be any of those things but it was
actually based on something if you plot up the speed of seti searches right using
some Metric the number of channels you're monitoring or whatever if you just plot that up versus time you find
out that this experiment is getting faster all the time right that's just the march of technology and you know it
basically follows Moore's Law it kind of doubles in speed every couple of years right and so by the year 2035 I figured
we would have looked at about a million star systems and uh for me at the time in in some
sort of drunken stupor I figured if you look at a million star systems I figured
it was reasonably certain you would find something that you would find aliens one in a
million star citizens might have an alien Society so that was the basis for the bet now I was willing to back that
up to the tune of a cup of Starbucks but not more right all right
um uh I think we have another question here from our presenter so I I was wondering
if a race of higher intelligence in order to get that technologically
advanced they would have to be able to not destroy themselves and you know
as far as we're younger much younger but we might be dangerous you know hopefully
uh will evolve past the use of you know our nuclear weapons and
stuff like that and make it to become you know a race that is space bearing
and traveling outward when the sun eventually you know comes to an end
it'll have to be done so we've got to get busy now
I I think maybe what you were trying to suggest there is that to find aliens there have to be some
aliens and it may be that once an alien Society gets up to our technological
level yes they've invented radio or lasers and
so forth so they could make their presence known but at the same time you invent radio you also invent the h-bomb
right I mean within 50 years so maybe there aren't any aliens because the ones
that are Advanced enough for you to detective all wipe themselves out and this is this is kind of an optimistic view of
the Universe I have to admit but uh unlike what Howard Hughes would have
said I don't buy it because I I yes maybe nine out of ten societies do
themselves in but do you think that all societies do that that would be that would be
remarkable and you know unless you think that that the development of intelligence is a very very unusual
thing uh then there should still be plenty of people to pick up on your antenna with your
antenna uh even if uh 80 of them decide to uh destroy themselves and also beyond
that urge you sometime when you're not doing anything else when you're just sitting
on the streetcar or something just write down the uh what you think are the
probabilities that homo sapiens will do itself in I mean just consider the possibilities what is the possibility of
a massive nuclear war next weekend really ruin your weekend plans right and
and then what about a pandemic and what about this and what about social unrest and what about you know uh the danger
from uh used cars or whatever whatever you think are the existential threats your Homo sapiens write down and write
down the probabilities and uh you maybe you'll come out with the fact that if you ought to you know just take your
life savings and go out and enjoy things now because it's no hope I many of my friends have opted for that
strategy or maybe you'll come to the same conclusion I did which is that it's very very difficult to kill everybody
you can try I urge you to try but it's really hard you can get you can get rid
of a third of all humans with a lot of effort even if you let all the nukes fly right you get rid of about a third of
everybody but it's hard to get rid of all of them and if you don't get rid of all of them you know it was just a bad
weekend yeah yeah that's right that's right uh and you know with us at the
stage of our technical Evolution you know we we are working on AI where we
are working on nanotechnology you know my thinking is uh why would you send a
fleshy out to uh another planet you know I mean if we found somehow found another
planet and we have the technology to fly there in a reasonable amount of time would we go down there I mean you know
you don't know what diseases might be there you don't know many things you know maybe the culture you know you say
something wrong and you know you get beat up or something I don't know but I'm the robot that happens on Earth
right now but uh yeah it seems to me that uh we that
you know we might send something that's very small extremely intelligent and could last you know
yeah well you're talking about the alien space programs such as they are and
obviously the data set for that question is rather minimal but uh I I think you
make a good point in fact a more fundamental point is that we assume that the aliens you know the little gray guys
with big eyeballs and no last names that they're you know either they're
friendly or they're unfriendly but they're basically humans with no eyelids right right and that that didn't make a
whole lot of sense yeah humanoid right exactly but look the probably the
most important thing that's going to happen in this century is that we invent our successors uh you know not chat gbt
but you know that 30 Generations farther along that the uh the true intelligence
of the universe is probably not soft and Squishy anyhow not fleshies so uh you
know these are machines and if they get to their destination they send back a whole lot of information and then they
self-destruct or opt to play Solitaire for the next 30 billion years I mean in
neither case is it terribly interesting to us all right there's there's a couple more questions here
um from the audience uh is it fathom fathomable sorry uh to
believe that we are actually the most advanced species out there
yeah I just jumped on to the call um and yeah my question
um I we we tend to assume that there are more intelligent species out there and
I'm thinking what if we're at the top of the food chain at least in this galaxy
yeah well I mean it seems a little on I find it it's a bit self-serving of course yeah
we're just the smartest things going uh We've we got a galaxy of two or three
hundred billion star systems and we're it we're the crown of creation uh humans
have often thought that they've always thought that actually and most people think that too because the first you
know 15 years of their life there were these other entities we refer to them as parents who are telling them hey you're
just the best there ever was right so they begin to believe it but you know there's there's something called the
principle of mediocrity in science and it isn't a reflection on the scientists themselves so much as I say that if you
think you're special you're probably wrong so that would be my response to that
uh Norm Hughes watching on YouTube uh wanted to know how long you monitor a
system before moving on to another system yeah that's a good question what we do is we we pointed a nearby star
system say it's 20 light years away whatever and we observe it over a range of frequencies this is you know a
limitation of the equipment can't look at the entire radio spectrum simultaneously you can only look at a
certain chunk of it that's a money problem but the money is not of interest to anybody on this call even though it's
the primary concern of people who are actually in this field but having you know look for typically three or four
minutes that's it three or four minutes at any given set of frequencies usually March the equipment up the dial and look
at another several hundred million or billion channels for another three or four minutes so
ET has three or four minutes in the entire history of the universe three or four minutes to get in touch with us and
if that signal doesn't reach us during that period of time we move on
how about Alpha Centauri well I I mean how about it seems good 15
minutes and nothing yeah no we we almost always whenever we can uh put Alpha Centauri at the top of
the observing list because for all the obvious reasons yeah I mean you've got to do some steady investigation here in
the southern hemisphere too yes well that was the point I was just going to make you can't use uh too many
telescopes around here but we we started our observing years ago for project Phoenix 1995 at the parks radio
observatory in Australia and of course it was easy enough to pick up Proxima
Centauri except they were they were being Coy there was they weren't broadcasting our way
and another question we'll make this the last one what are what are the reliable sources to look for in extraterrestrial
life uh I'm not sure you understand the question you could ask the aliens of
course what are the reliable sources to look for they really mean like Bible sources for
information on how seti is going yeah is that is is that your reading of
the question Scott uh what Molly just said reading the question from the chat yeah I mean there are lots and lots of
uh articles you can read also books there there are several books I I
hesitate to recommend my own book but if you do decide to check that out of the library I get nothing for that if you
buy the book I get I think uh the price of a In and Out Burger order of fries so
you might want to consider doing that but there's no shortage of information there's lots lots of stuff if you're
interested in the latest doings then you're going to find that online not in the in the library
and um how can people support seti well I hate to sound mercenary but the thing
they can do that helps the most is just to send a check um but you know failing that I mean
there are lots of things you can do you can if you it depends on what your day job is if your day job is to uh you know
run astronomy magazine or something like that I mean there are other things you can do but uh in general
there was a very popular program called seti at home that was run out of the University of California Berkeley I've
heard about it yeah I've done that for many years yeah yeah they had like seven million people downloaded that software
and they were you know grinding away on seti data now mind you it was a small
fraction of the total seti data and uh the real problem with it was not that it
wasn't a good idea not that it wasn't well implemented the real problem was that it required at least one person
full time to to to run it actually because there
are always people who are having trouble with you know they try and download the software and it just wipes their hard drive clean and stuff like that they had
to they had to deal with that so it was the support cost that eliminated was a
great great idea but unless you have very secure funding it's hard to do yeah
well thank you very much Seth and uh next next week uh Seth will be back on
again um and um uh I I'm really excited about
this he will be our co-host for the 118th Global star party so thanks again
for all of your support with us here great
thank you sir thank you bye-bye thank you bye-bye
okay uh wow okay so my mind's like filled with
you know yeah Seth about 100 more questions but uh uh we are going to look
at more alive uh views of the universe with Molly Wakeling and uh with her
infusion of uh of science that she does with her astronomally talks and um
it's also uh worth noting that Molly is uh now a team member of astronomy
magazine so very cool uh she's done a lot with her life so far and I can
hardly wait to see what's next with Molly Wakeling yeah thanks yeah I'm thrilled to be
writing for astronomy magazine and my first article is coming out in August on
their on their anniversary so um uh really excited about that and uh
yeah it's about um doing astrophotography without a telescope so and kind of my photography
accessible so uh yeah look out for that but uh in the meantime uh before I
launched into I'm gonna talk about the heart nebula tonight but because it's clear here I do want to um share my
screen again briefly but instead of the Moon I have the owl nebula up now
um my nightly Imaging sequence yeah yeah it's uh it's pretty nice out tonight the
moon's not too bright and it's about halfway full but it's on the other side of the sky right now and I've got a nice
um uh dual band uh narrow band filter in here the optolong L ultimate that's kind
of making it pop out pretty nice so uh yeah I'm looking forward to stacking a whole bunch of those and um I have an
image this Target in a while since I've gotten better equipment and stuff like that so I'm looking forward to getting a
nicer image of it and another thing I wanted to share is
I've just 3D printed a an Ori a tellurium specifically uh with the
um so the sun earth Moon system and you can calibrate it so it's actually like correct for the date where the Moon is
the tilt of the Moon um it's like distance from the earth and stuff like that um and uh this axis here on the earth
shows like um uh the equinoxes and the solstices and stuff so I did I did not
design this uh but I printed it and it came out really nice and it's on uh it's on uh printables if you search for
mechanicalorary printables.com but yeah this is a lot of fun so I thought I'd show that off too
Molly that looks awesome but if it were yeah scales and distances how far away
would that sun or be from your house um oh I've I've done this before for like
like some live some Public Library talks I've given with like relative distances for clients and stuff but I don't
remember offhand uh kind of what that would be but some number of miles I think
I think that sun would be like in Hawaii or something I don't know
what my scale reference was the last time I did this exercise I think it might have been the sun was a was a um
either ping pong ball or a tennis ball I can't remember in any case
big big distances involved here um yeah so let me share my screen and I'll
do my astronomally's universe segment on a Target that
um is is I've got one of my one of my favorite and best images on this target that I'll
show at the end um and this one here is one of my earlier images on it that I'm also quite
happy with but I have a Hubble palette one now that came out really nice A little show at the end but um uh thinking about looking looking at
the topic for tonight on The Big Bang and talking about nucleosynthesis how we
all started from just the hydrogen and helium and tiny bit lithium content at the very beginning uh thinking about the
hydrogen maybe think about nebula and solar nurseries and I thought well I should just do the heart and I be like
because I haven't done that one yet uh yeah so the heart nebula is a massive
emission nebula so um it's got gases in it primarily hydrogen that are being
energized by stars within the nebula and causing it to Glow this deep red and it
looks a little more pink in a lot of images because there's a lot of white Starlight and that makes the Deep Red
look more pink because white and red is pink um so you kind of get this this pink color like you do for prominences on the
edge of the Sun during solar eclipses um it is a solar Nursery so new stars are born here and a new eventually new
planetary systems and maybe eventually uh those planetary systems might host some life so there could eventually be
some uh alien life there is the Stars drift out of the nebula and kind of go on their merry ways
um and all those that contain hydrogen but also oxygen and sulfur which also glow on the optical Spectrum a whole
host of other gases and what astronomers call Metals metals to astronomers are anything that is heavier than helium
so argon and neon are metals it's really
silly um but uh yeah all kinds of stuff and then molecular dust as well there's not
just elements uh in floating out in space but there's a lot of organic compounds and uh different molecules
that are floating out there as well which is really fascinating and a lot of radio astronomy studies what the dust is
made up of because you have to see the radio wavelength vibrations of those molecules in order to determine what
they are um so I if you want to go looking for it it is up off the end of the
left or bottom or top depends on the time of year side of Cassiopeia sort of
between Cassiopeia and kind of forming a triangle with Perseus it's quite a large nebula
um but uh right now it's getting more towards setting in the early evening Sky
I'm Imaging it on one of my camera lenses tonight until about 11 o'clock
and then it'll be too low to see um so it's really a good winter time Target and we're getting out of
wintertime moving into spring so some fast facts uh it's listed as
magnitude 18.3 which sounds really dim and it is but you know it's the way that
magnitudes are calculated if the tar if the target is really spread out and really large on the sky like the heart
nebula is then it has a much lower magnitude uh and this covers 150 by 150
arc minutes of apparent size which is like um two and a half degrees wide so take
like um let's see one two three like like five or six of your thumbnails wide go
across the sky or like five or six moons side by side um it's quite large on the sky if we
could see it um it would be very large it's 7 500 light years away
and is 165 light years across so uh remembering that light is traveling
uh really fast and it takes 165 light years for it to cross this whole nebula
uh it's not only large on the sky but it's physically an enormous nebula here
in our here in our own Galaxy and it was discovered by William Herschel in 1787
um but probably not the nebula itself but probably the the cluster the star cluster at the middle
um but there's some there are some brighter portions of the nebula that you could see a little more easily in telescopes
so um there's a lot going on in the heart nebula this is not one of my images I pulled this one off of
Wikipedia because I don't have a nice full Field image of it yet I will have one once I process the data set I'm
currently taking on my Rokinon camera lens but uh let's talk about some of what
we've got going on here so here in the middle is what I think is the most interesting portion one of the most
interesting portions of the heart which is what I call the heart of the heart uh kind of at the core of the
heart nebula there and you can really see that this nebula has a heart shape when you photograph it and it's just
it's so obvious a heart shape that even people who are really bad at seeing shapes in like constellations and nebula
like I am can see that it's a heart that makes it convenient um so the middle here is
um the heart of the heart or has its own designation of IC 1805 and the start
cluster there is known as molot 15. uh this these are some really young stars
um like only one and a half million years old which is like newborn star uh
so a lot of really young Stars here and that's why it has such intricate shapes is because hot young stars are emitting
tons of ultraviolet light and that's energizing and shaping the nebula gases
here um and causing the glow really brightly is like the brightest part of the almost the brightest part of the nebula here
um here we have the a section that is called The Fish Head nebula which I just
finished Imaging uh these two images on either side are my images
um and the Fish Head nebula is I think I think I read it as the brightest portion of the nebula you can kind of see this
one in a telescope with uh when using like a nebula filter
um we have uh then there's a lot of dark nebula regions that are named there's a lot of named features here or um catalog
features LDN 1371 LDN 1365.
um uh mercarian six is actually a little um open cluster here that that kind of
stands out once once you see it uh you can't unsee it so our little open cluster there that's
um uh not bright enough to have ended up on messiers or other popular catalogs LDN 1366 over here LDN 1364 over here
it's really been chopped up and divvied up uh and then this like section of nebula
here actually has its own designation which I thought is cool because it is a very cool looking section uh you can see
part of it here um on uh CG cg7s DN DN meaning dark nebula even
though there's a lot of glowing nebula there in addition to the dark nebula um and yeah I only named part of the I
only showed part of the cataloged regions here there's quite a few
um but yeah that's kind of some of the anatomy of the heart nebula if you will
I like to show what these objects look like in other wavelengths because we see so many pictures
in Optical wavelengths but really when it comes to stars and anything that gets
energized By Starlight it's emitting on all wavelengths the cost across the electromagnetic spectrum uh some a lot
more than others and you have to have high enough temperatures to do things like X-rays and gamma rays and stuff
like that um but uh here is a radio image uh with
the um the plonk uh spacecraft and 157 gigahertz if you're a radio person that
number means something to you it's actually pretty high frequency um this is if you imagine that I took the heart nebula image and turned it up
on its side that's the orientation of this image where you can actually like this is a pretty high resolution image
you can see kind of that heart shape and some of the brighter areas with like the fish head nebula and stuff so that's
kind of cool that you can still kind of make out the heart shape in the radio data that doesn't always happen
uh this is the infrared image from um the wide field infrared survey Explorer
uh this so this is infrared data that has been colored to be on an optical
spectrum that we can actually look at on a computer so the blue cyan region is where new stars are being born the green
areas are grains of dust that are heated By Starlight and the red areas are like
larger dust grains that are um glowing at a much longer infrared wavelength and I forgot to put the unit on there but
it's all microns um these different infrared wavelengths
uh getting up into the higher energies here uh the either an UltraViolet or
x-ray there wasn't really a complete image of that area just lots of little sporadic squares where particular Target
targets had been imaged for a particular scientific goals so on the left we have ultraviolet from uh the Swift telescope
up in space up at um just about 200 nanometers of wavelength and then up in
the X-ray we have a color image made up of three different uh and wavelengths or here listed as energies as we tend to do
for X-rays of um uh x-ray energies but again just kind of in little chunks and these are really just kind of like
really hot stars that are newborn and um are so hot they can emit x-rays
um but yeah not a whole lot of nebula shape here because nebula is just not quite hot enough to emit on UV and x-ray
a lot of the time then finally there is actually some gamma ray signal up there so gamma rays
are the most energetic kind of light uh by Far and Away more energetic than X-ray and
um uh this image from the Fermi telescope up in space kind of shows a bright area roughly where uh that knot
the images don't always line up perfectly in the software that I'm using called Aladdin but um I think this kind
of approximately lines up with with the the knot in the middle the heart of the heart and then kind of the fish head-ish
region over here so there's some really hot stars and activity going on there to emit gamma rays
um which is pretty cool and we'll have to dig into on a future talk at some point uh what kind of processes produce
gamma rays so if you want to observe the heart nebula um it's really hard to see
visually um but the time of year is September to March so a conquer in the fall and the
winter and a little bit into spring hydrogen being red and wavelength is really hard for us to see because our
eyes are not very sensitive to Red so you're not going to be able to see this one with binoculars like you would the Andromeda galaxy
um now if you're under very dark skies and you have a telescope and you have a nebula filter you might be able to see
some of the brighter parts of the nebula like um the heart of the heart of the fish head region
uh with that telescope um but it's I haven't tried this myself uh looking for
this target but for my reading it's not the easiest to discern um but the star cluster in the middle my
lot 15 is really easy to see with uh with binoculars it being a nice bright open cluster
however photographically it's pretty bright and you don't need a whole lot to photograph it uh I thought I had all the
different wavelengths of my telescopes um you can do wide field to get the whole nebula uh your e super wide feel
to get the heart and the Soul nebula or you can zoom in on particular parts of it like the fish head or the heart of
the heart um if you do it in wideband it's just all red like the picture in the background so it
makes it but it actually makes a really excellent narrow band uh Target for doing like Hubble palette kind of work
and uh here's my image of the heart of the heart that I'm very proud of it's my favorite image and it just came out
um I got the colors exactly how I wanted them and a lot of beautiful intricate detail
and uh yeah this is with my um Celestron 8-inch Schmidt Casa green taken over the
course of um from October of 2021 to February of 2022
and this is about 18 hours worth of images on a monochrome camera on the CWS
1600. so Molly was someone was any of your data taken from OK text
um not for this one um this was uh over the the previous year so
um uh I the first time I went to okay text was was September of uh of 22 this past year okay you said 21. no I'm still
very impressive yeah I got my ears mixed up but uh yeah yeah
actually this was this was all done from my portal my portal 7 uh backyard
um yeah that time frame I was here in Dayton Ohio uh but narrow band I used three nanometer three nanometer filters
and it just knocks out every kind of light pollution I just need to like not have the moon be too close to it because
it can bleed over into the Oxygen Channel a little bit um but yeah narrow band if you live
somewhere really bright like I do you can get images of a quality that you would get from darker Skies uh and it
keeps me going sometimes on the wide band galaxies are trying to image from the city are coming out really nasty so
narrow Bandits is really nice to have as well yeah I see how that works now so
that that's why I'm seeing such great nebula images from Portal 7 borderly
City Urban so yeah now that makes sense it's all about that narrow band and yeah
now we're getting into Galaxy season there's very few narrowband targets there's not much planetary nebula
there's no emission nebula really because we're looking up out of the plane of the Galaxy and out toward like
outer space out towards right away from the Galaxy so we pretty much just have other galaxies to look at in this spring
season um so that just means that I got to take a lot a lot a lot of subframes to get
enough signal to noise ratio to make nice galaxy images but we'll see what else there's always yeah there's always M82 you've got a
little bit to work with there yeah so I'm actually doing that right now with um the uh I'm doing it I just finished I
think I just wrapped it up on my Takahashi where I've taken a bunch of hydrogen Alpha I think I've still got
any Synology to be on there actually um and then I on my hhd my nine and a quarter I've got
this new filter from antlia called the antlia I'm gonna get the words Alia
Ultra RGB tri-band it's it's a it's a wideband
filter like a light pollution filter but it's got more in the red and it's really cut out where light pollution is it's a
really interesting filter it's like a combination of a wideband filter and a hydrogen Alpha filter um okay
zero in on a zero win on all the frequencies for for light pollution and
you're talking about like City Light pollution tungsten you're talking about whatever the LEDs throwing Cuts all of
that out yeah yeah so cuts out a decent amount of light pollution but passes a lot of red
still and um it's it's definitely got some potential for being a viewing good for Galaxies where you can still get the
wide band signal from galaxies but also get a lot of the hydrogen signal and block out a lot of the light pollution
um so I'm putting put together a couple images with it I'm really looking forward to doing md2 with this with this
filter so yeah and you know there's a like in 101 and m33 where they've got a
bunch of uh yeah regions I'm wondering how that'll turn out I mean you may not
get much of the nucleus but all the art you might get arm data that pops out you know I don't know but
I did test it on I don't remember which Galaxy I did but I tested it on a Galaxy and I needed more data than I would have
normally needed for just doing wideband because it does have some stronger Cuts
around the light but I do get enough wideband signal to be able to image a
Galaxy which is kind of it's It's selling place like being able to cut light pollution but still be able to do
galaxies and some reasonable amounts of color so um yeah we'll see what comes out that should be up real estate I have a bunch
of subframes is that your eight inch you used for the Jupiter Saturn conjunction
um yes I thought so yeah the fence in the tree from your house I
remember yeah yeah I was like around my tree and above my fence and I kind of
had my eight inch and it went really well that's a sharp stroke you have there but hey Molly
John's got you beat he just pulls out his 30 inch and he draws it three from
the 30 inch in his elevated uh you know if he doesn't just use Mount Wilson itself he pulls his 38 down he draws the
H2 regions on his uh oh my God so yeah he's got his all beat that's my 32 or uh
merkos 32 not a 30. but I am working 32. oh my goodness
two inches sorry I have gotten a look through a couple of 36 inch telescopes
before one up at um at the Hidden Hollow star party here in Ohio and one down at
Texas Star Party and yeah the views through those are Exquisite just mind-boggling it's it's so good
yeah my aperture has stopped at 24 so
that's pretty good on my visual astronomy and so I'll just I just take
my Canon camera and I shoot the entire thing that's my uh that's my um
compromising one day one day I'll get to look at that stuff
come come out come with us to do yes yeah the four horsemen
I've got a lot of travel I have to do Molly you you've been fortunate enough to do some travel and see some through
some of those Scopes and I know you'll never forget I even though I'm a little more I'm advanced in years I still hope
to do some of this traveling you know before before the year of 80. so yeah it's
totally worth taking that sport yeah I just got to get all my money together and come see all you guys yeah it's
totally worth taking the the time and the and the money and the effort to come down to one of the major star parties
um I'll be at Cherry Springs in June if anyone else will be there um my PhD work
to go to Cherry Springs I can't go to Texas Star Party this year it is too much of a time commitment to be away from my uh my work but um Cherry Springs
is a little bit shorter and a little bit closer yeah yeah we'll probably miss you at Okie Texas yeah I'll be moving I'm
moving in September I'm graduating in September oh yes yes you can't make it yeah well it was good seeing you there
last year and I know you got some you got some really good data oh you did yeah and I'll be back in another year
yeah one one year again I um my buddy from uh the low brows um I'll mention
this Jim Forrester um he he's going every year and I tend to
go with him um love the skies down there but but yeah I do hope to travel to some other
places see sky from some other areas because I it's been I think two years
toky text now for me you got to show us that owl that owl's
looking good um the uh the lot you want to see live view again oh my yeah oh uh so much my
my telescopes have been beeping at me and I wasn't sure which one of my four it was but unfortunately it's the one with the Allen The Guiding has run away
for um
what I'm taking right now real quick here it is what happened
uh yeah we'll get that back and Nina has a sweet center after drift uh routine so
it's checking that now seeing uh what's wrong with it and it'll re-center right here so
um uh but yeah so uh let's get the finished image out and I'm gonna go
diagnose what's going on with my gutter so but yeah that's all I got thank you yeah the travails of Astro photography
even automation does not always work but uh yeah if you know how to troubleshoot
your stuff like Molly you'll be back up in no time uh or you can be like
everyone else and shine a big bright flashlight at your unit and wonder what the heck happened and blind all the
visual astronomers and then a fight breaks out and it's not such a good time so it know your equipment before you go
before you go out and image in front of folks or try to build your own home
Observatory and learn there's our lesson for tonight
well thank you very much Molly yeah uh good luck on your own future Adventures there so yeah thanks yeah even after uh
doing automated Imaging for the last um I've been doing it pretty solidly for about three years now I still have
troubles often but when you run four rigs something's not inevitably
yeah I've seen the foreign
they're all pointing at different objects the computer computers
controlling everything it's it's quite a uh it's quite a uh setup it's a variance
yeah me I walk around with just a single camera and and a lot of jealousy because
I don't have a fork rig setup like that but um very well a lot of nights to get here I
lived in California I had clear nights very often so I was able to just turn the crank off getting all the problems worked out it's it's the way to go
because you're not stuck with one object you've got you can go four different objects so you're you know you've got an
interest in a couple different areas of the sky you go to all of them and um yeah and gather data
so yeah it's a little bit of jealousy but no I understand completely it's a great setup
man it took you some time to get there I'm sure yeah yeah that's been a blast and I'm just uh I'm so pleased that I'm
able to to do this on a on a regular basis and um and and when one rig doesn't doesn't
work one night I still have three other ones so it wasn't a total loss you know that's right very good point all right that
monopolized a lot of times so wait honey I I want to show you before you leave if
you I'll hang out for a little bit Yeah if you was gonna allow me I can show you what I'm capturing right now to give a
little View like you did recently uh let me share my
screen do you see this is the the the software
of RCL plus and right now I'm taking this picture this is before it gave
Meridian flip but this is the auto searching image oh wow of the Garena
nebula and you can see here the the Box nebula
yeah yeah yeah is this is a a three minutes single cell
and here's the Mystic Mountain that you show in the in the video Scott let's see
when when I get uh the first the process how it is but anyway this is really
quick Maxi is that area to the left the area that jwst honed in on yes this is
the place but um the another one was in the northern but in the part of the northern uh
and in a really really small part but anyway
fantastic yeah that's gonna be really nice I hope so I hope so I'm struggling with
the women coming along yeah you keep getting subframes like that you'll have a nice image yeah and do you so do you
use maxi do you use blur exterminator to work on you know yeah I started to work
with that um I just downloaded it recently so I'm
gonna I finally gave in I caved and uh I got Stark exterminator for working on the comet that came through recently
because I could take the stars out of linear images which starnet won't do I won't do well
um and yes I'm gonna see how birds Terminator works on my stuff and it's I've seen incredible results on some
other people's stuff so yeah I'm really looking forward to seeing this Maxie yeah that's
all right it's better thank you Max I think the Berber has died down over blur exterminator so it's it that's
um we have Marcelo Souza and some more speakers here waiting in the wings yeah yeah you need to move on but uh all
right uh we'll uh we'll come back to you Max see if you're still uh Imaging well I I've been capturing the same thing I
would say I think all night but okay okay great so our next speaker is Mark
uh Marcelo Souza from Brazil uh he is um he organizes in uh an event called the
IM double a um which uh attracts an international group of uh uh you know science
professionals and amateurs in the fields of astronomy and space exploration
um he is also the uh editor of Skies Up Magazine we're putting together our next
issue right now and uh putting some final touches on that uh Marcelo thank
you for coming on global Star Party all right all right thank you very much
for the invitation Sports thank you hi to all of you hi March all right nice to
meet you it's a great pleasure to be here yeah congratulations Max ready now you are
thank you thank you now thanks to Scott for letting it
happen first I will show what you are doing
here and they're happy news about what you
are doing here these are our astronomy group and this was Thursday we visit
another school Monday we visit another one and this Thursday you have activity another
school here you see how are the classy homes here in public schools here in
Brazil this is a school that they have a air conditioners they have a projector
then the schools are here in our state are better now behavioral the support
for the teachers class and we developed this project young studies
tomorrow we talk about astronomy space exploration new technology is really
teach the students how to produce apps for smartphones and the how to yeah we
are also producing a anime I don't know if it's correct in
English but animated cartoons for TV reproduces six episodes later already
were transmitted in a local TV here the first time that you have your
animated cartoon about astronomy here in Brazil and uh
now I'm studying what's happening with the Sun yeah I know that United States probably
most of you saw the Aurora I don't know did you see it's quite see in general
in your state you know because I have here information that they saw in
Florida and the in many different states in
here is our star and it now I will talk about this icon
the solar cycle 25. but see this is why is the prediction
for this new one the 25 this they predicted that the maximum probably will
happen in July 2025 oh and it's your eyes are almost the
same as well as the last one that's right 24.
I have data now that shows that she
I I probably will be more intense than the West predicted
then I will show now the information that I have this is the prediction from
lower and here is space where they arrive.com
you have a graphs that shows What's Happening Now with the Sun
you can see here uh the
um me sunspots number is the blue one is move here is the this
black here is it means a spot to number and you see here what's happened 2023
here in the you see the prediction
and now you know we can see that probably you have a more intense
activities happening in the sun in the spirit and do you have a maybe
earlier is cycle
nobody knows what will happen but see the data probably shows that see we can predict
that we have a more intense activity this year
and this is the science part number it is the rate of flux
and you see here that you have intensive chips in 2023 in this only three months in
2023 we just saw the sum is very active
and I don't know if you'll be the same that you have in 223 but probably will
be more intense than the 24th and here you we can see that you have a
Maniacs price first Amy fresh C Flats then the science value
and the last week we had this
big hole a quarter no hole and the nobody predicted that you're
having this ejection arriving here in
in our planets and I don't know if you saw man this
is not working but here is amazing spaceweather.com from the someone that
registered the auroras in Florida
is something unexpected you have authorities in Florida
I don't know if any one of you here is an image from zinc was group that is
available in the spacewriter.com that's Aurora Nebraska
then it was very interesting 23 March 23 is nice and you can see here it's quite
something that's fantastic you see his colors you have the green one yeah
if you go to Florida you you can't see the green one you see
already one here that's right yeah
right side it was cloudy and raining here in Ohio otherwise I would have seen it and I've never never seen the Aurora
never seen it no I haven't oh [Music]
this I hope I think that is something fantastic I never thing else
but it is Nebraska indeed they saw in Florida man in the
wise unexpected activity yes nobody predicted that this will happen and this
it was most intense storm in 20 years
um now I believe that we have a problem
um more intense ejections from the Sun disease
I I hope that you don't have uh another effect like you have we had in the 19th
century but see maybe it can happen sorry
or someone no no that this is what we
need to be concerned now and another thing that see I'm a
analyzing here because we have our events yeah
satellites this is
a representation of satellites and the space junk is also again this is what
you're having around us but see now every heavy more than 5 000 team
satellites and from these five thousand elected satellites more than 3 000
SpaceX satellites they are from the Star styling
then this is what we need to be concerned and the
prediction is then from 2030 probably will have more than
100 000 satellites not wow you're gonna need software to remove
those out of your photographs if you can make it yes yes this is what I'm
concerned this is a picture of The Styling starling yes from February
2023 I have more than three thousands and I don't know how much they are
planning to challenge they only having more than a lot of fleets of these standings
that you can see in the sky then it's something that you need to discuss now
that is to avoid this influence first there's a different kind of light
pollution yeah that you have and the
uh they have 64 square meter
of this panel solar panels is a very big
one they are planning to launch many of this
and this will refactors reimagine a 64 square meter solar panel many of these
satellites you can imagine how that they will
reflect the lighter herself and how we were affect yours
like iridium satellites you'll get flashed on the ground yes
this is is an image the the product in when it was finishing the production RPG
Refugee satellites is a very big one it's a very big one
and I have here a video this is a image showing how will be you know but this is
the video produced by the company showing how ice produces the
these satellites is a very big one when they open all solar panels
is a very big one and you have one in order and they are planning to launch more of
this now we need to be concerned because probably
Jamaica studs we need to have a space telescopes well
to have a clear images is a very big one
and it's already working and yeah
this is another kind oh if you like pollution that you you need to be concerned
how to solve this man and don't affect
the use of new technologies here
then we have here some kinds of proposals
if you can use some kinds of painting that's a reflects less the
light that come from the Sun this is awesome
and something that you need to talk Refugee these groups that are producing satellites to preserve the sky for us
then to avoid you see this all the days man that you look to the
sky I don't know I I I read some groups that
you are trying to estimate the influence of these satellites that
say I already know what in our view to the sky
and I have groups working in this I don't know what's happening in a near
future with this big satellite things and now in dispute we are
organizing our international events here these are the links for our events they
have from April 27 29 here in our city the fifth events you're having our the
confirmation of small speakers and Gabe Gabrielle that he is a fantastic
speaker [Music]
the first dark sky Park of Latin America and now we are working to have another
dark sky place that is another preserved Forest nearest that he the average
assume the compromise the commitments and to preserve the sky for the new
generations then we have a new one probably will be announced during the events
[Music] that she is the coordinator of the
Global Science operator it's a project that associate science with Arts
using music for this and the topic of this year is the James Webb Telescope
then many different accounts produce music is in the uh scats
a theater schedule
that is transmitted life with the participation from students from different countries
and here from our seats you have it lists for our country we have three seats that participate
it this is them about that is from the north region of Brazil he's coordinating the observation of the eclipse analytic
Clips here in Brazil he lives in the states where you have
the opportunity Clips that's one of the
in different seats in Sao Paulo penteado that is a
one of the coordinates of the officer of astronomy for Education the
International Community and now we have the participation of adjectives that comes from Mozambique
to talk about the astronomy Mozambique Milwaukee has an astronomic group that
and he also participate in a group from Africa that's upon African citizen
science that involves persons from different countries in Africa
Alejandro Sana from Argentina he is representative International Association
Argentina and he also developed projects with indigenous
about astronomy unit 5 is that's a famous Brazilian cosmologists this is a foreign
uh Outreach activities [Music] this sky for her though
and now she knows how to use the telescope and they say also make it
organizing when you have a person to we have a lot to reach activity she helped
me with the the telescopes
um thank you very much
I love to see young people getting involved in astronomy you know and uh
there is a long tradition in this world of fathers showing their children the
sky so um so that's that's awesome
okay so uh up next is
um we have uh Cesar brolo from Argentina
yes that's right yes
clear looks like uh you might have some clear sky in your dear sky clear sky is
open open clusters uh we can we can make
a um as you know I am totally rapid by buildings as you can see and they have
very small part of the Skies where I can own my telescopes this is safe is
something for the people that never never lose the opportunity of you know
in a at least night of course uh to watch the sky
um traveling by the sky using uh any any
uh Sky Map software computer and choosing
what you are able to watch
um before after sorry watch the incredible
pictures from Molly and Maxi of course that for me what I
don't know I that I have but okay um
I can show you some tonight only some uh open clusters
actually let me let me share screen
well m46 well in
a moment in this moment I can stack in i i stacking
living is and I can show you with much better
that's a live stacking mode so you have it all programmed and ready yes of
course beautiful it's gonna build up huh
let me and a moment you said that we saw streaks on the screen
I think he jinxed it John no no
Caesar's got this apartment building wires he'll be fine very true
love maybe guiding yes my telescope the mode was
disconnected maybe no maybe the next
let's see what the next frame shows yeah guys that did the nebula the homunculus
nebula he doesn't need a track yes baby
I lost everything but but maybe
yes because it's the the wireless or or your
connection no those are awesome maybe you can see the live
the cable um now is totally disconnected and you
know I will lose the the yes yes it looks like you lost your tracking there
yes absolutely but
yes I have I have the no problem what cluster is that by the way
and this one let me change this
it's got some nice red stars in there yeah actually yes yeah we can see the
colors of these Stars yeah that's pretty good yeah we yeah this is the real astrophotography sometimes
and we gotta figure out what else the most the most funny was that in
tonight I don't have any problems but let me show you sorry
yes I don't know I don't know why
no no it's a Celestron because sorry about the exos when I connect and
disconnect this could happen to any anywhere yeah but but it doesn't happen as much to
explore scientific gears
[Music] again
it's like nothing it still is still tracking I don't know why yes this one I
don't know come on you're in the South what you lose everything where let me
let me change this and I can show you are you are you running off of me no no
I I that battery
exactly the size and it was like a at least a small disconnect and looks
totally but the tracking but it's ridiculous because the tracking it's um something that let me
oh you can push that thing probably yeah yeah that's Nico the Hammers thing oh
Nico sorry yeah yes yes we need an equals 103 reasons
absolutely sure because it's a problem that Nico never never have
right no no no this is yeah let me show you what are that I I have in in my
in your collection of beautiful works okay the southern Jewel box is just the
most amazing Jewel box compared to ours uh I think we have a jewel box in a note
what is our Jewel box yes well it's a beehive that's you gotta
beehive and then you have a jewel box is just flat out you don't want to burn
your eyes out of your head it's so good the southern one it was just Mesmerizing the colors and the brightness it's
unbelievable you have to see it yeah it's on my list of uh things to see when
I finally get to see Cesar and maxi um when I saved my pennies it it will
happen these are did you want to uh do we want
to uh another speaker and then you come on yeah yeah
yes I'm ready to go yeah I've got my uh I've got my
slideshow already yes I got it already Adrian yes I did only 10 minutes because
it's very good and we can I can make the process fastly maybe in 10 minutes
I see you in 10 minutes we've got this okay
let's see where is here we go
I will do um so as Scottish said I will um briefly
show a couple of new slides I've added to my chasing Dark Skies presentation
and then show a slideshow I put music to it but I won't play the music just
because of the the streaming regulations there could be some issues going there
so what I'll do is I will start were you
playing games no no I wasn't using James Brown for that oh that's a good idea for
a future that's a good idea for a future uh thing so what I want to do now is figure out
why my slideshow man we got running technical difficulties here yeah we do
I'm just going to exit the pages and close some things down let's see if
I can okay we'll just we'll just abandon the uh
we'll abandon this page is having a problem
no kidding okay yeah so what we're going to see here is a progression of the
night sky I've taken all these pictures um I've realized that over the couple of years that I've done my Imaging I've
actually taken enough pictures to show a rolling Sky now this is Northern Hemisphere I can show a rolling sky
where we start with the setting of Orion and we end with the rising of Orion and
in the middle we're looking to the South and looking to the southern part of our
skies in the northern hemisphere you'll see how it goes from the Orion region
here this is like winter how we go from here to the springtime
the rise of the galactic center how it stands on end and how it rolls
over to the Northwest and then the cygnus region dissipates and as the
Region's dissipating we see a familiar face Rising again in
the um Southeast and we see Orion return there was me there is music to this but
like I said I won't be playing it so I'm just going to let it go and what I'll do instead is I'll kind of
direct now you got zodiacal light Orion's over here this image in this
image you see Orion setting this is West so you can see the progression Milky Way
flattens then it rises up and then this bright region cygnus and then you get a glimpse
there's the core coming up and I know these images are going fairly quickly
I can actually because I'm doing this I can actually stop and we can spend some time this image is one that I
really do like because um I was able to get the lighthouse I was able to get some detail and look at
this galactic center just you know it's one of those where it's
both the star and the background you're seeing M8 and this light pole
um you know M8 is this big at its distance as this light pole is from the distance
I was standing which is obviously this is a lot closer and um
you know the that you want to talk about how big things are
um you know like the theme being big bang and origins of things a lot of a lot of what
I do with my images is just to show kind of the magnanimity if that's a word
how large these structures really are you know and you know that's our galactic center that
we can see and we're in this galaxy so it just gives you just kind of gives you perspective of how large these things
are and so as we move forward now there
you've got the entire galactic center Rising
and this was taken in our upper peninsula in Michigan at at the time it was the most
impressive Sky I had seen and the most impressive most of this was naked eye
visible some of the detail I've got from in fact I think I actually over exposed
it a little bit here can you make a whole galaxy with a different time of the year and combine
them and make one giant like connected Galaxy I guess you can somebody has done
that and they actually went from the northern to the southern hemisphere yeah
um and they connected the entire thing so you had from the Orion region Ada Karen a the magellanic clouds the
Southern Cross Centaurus and then on into what we can
see from the sickness region Cassiopeia um this region with scorpion and
Sagittarius there's the Scorpion they're Sagittarius as it rises
this is the time of year Northern Hemisphere when it's standing like when
it's rising you might get a glimpse of some more of these nebula the prawn the uh
lobster tail like it has another name and you can see the horse there yeah
right blue Horsehead yeah the blue heart yeah this part you can see that well but
um it's these that disappear pretty quickly as The Milky Way rolls and we're
gonna see that as we progress you notice the angle starting to get
higher and higher as we get into spring and we're headed towards Summer and now
these these times look at this this is actually fall I actually jumped ahead a little too quickly
um but yeah it it stands on end this this one's a pretty special I'll go
ahead and describe this one I wanted to recreate the first time I saw the Milky Way naked eye and it was at this
location this corn field and so there I was standing there and I I recreated the
shot um just standing there looking at this Misty
stuff I didn't know all of this was a part of the Milky Way that you can actually see in the picture but there's
this missed steam they call it coming from the teapot the teapot right here
and you know there's a little bit of steam when I got here naked eye I could
tell that the Milky Way was here but and then of course planes always
come and ruin your shot but that's okay um I could tell that it was there
and so when I set this up you know this is
this is where Sagittarius was rolling and this is
where um Milky Way was and I just sat there and looked at it I didn't have a telescope I
didn't have this camera which I would later come two three I forget how many years
um to recreate the event um for two minutes I tried to stand as
still as I could and didn't turn out too bad there's a little
bit of blurriness in my back here but I Stood Still for two minutes to create this part of the um shot and then I took
a two minute shot and there's some structure to Milky Way there's the butterfly there's ptolemy's
cluster um they even though this Zone the Bortles
probably in five or six if I were to if I were to have an sqm meter
it's still with two minutes I'm still able to get some structure of the Milky Way here
and so that for me you know it was nice to be able to recreate this moment that kind of
started my chasing of the Milky Way and so as we move on
you see even with the moon here parts of the Milky Way are coming up this my
other Northern him my uh Northern Upper Peninsula of Michigan shot the dust
Lanes everything really clean if you look there's like Barnard's e which is
really clean here and there's a lot of Sky Globe this night I also did not have
the sqm-l meter to know exactly what the reading would have been I suspect it
would have been closer to 21.6 or something it would have been a pretty good reading because
even with these clouds here it was it was pretty transparent
and then we get into here where it's not so bright these are some earlier
images I caught a meteor here and now this is what the Milky Way looks like naked eye at Oaky text any dark sky
you've seen this I'm sure John uh bro it's that dark there really it is that
dark there's no Sky glow anywhere well you can't see it you can't see it naked
eye as well here this is this is as accurate a representation you know minus
the plane yes what you see with your eyes now what you see when you edit it
or the Lagoon that's the Lagoon this is an edited version now you can see some of the Sky
Go in fact you see there's a lot of greenish color here a lot of Sky glow right that's when you you spend time you
know now you've got like a two minute I want to say this is actually this may
actually be a 30 no it's probably two minute image because I've got some like the handle
here you know this is this is there's more detail there's M23 right there
there's M22 look at that you got um M24
and you got M8 and look at this red a little bit of him 20.
there's M6 there's M7 and I did manage to catch you see a
couple of the uh a couple of paw prints here from the catch bar and a little bit of nebulosity
from The Lobster Claw here so this was a um
yeah this is this is Okie text when you process it
and um you know it's just it it's it's out there it stands on its end in the
September going into October so now you're seeing the Milky Way right there
yep so now we lose the core and as we get into fall and we're heading the late
part of fall and winter look at what's happening here's you see the there's some
coloration on the trees and look what's happening cygnus is now starting to pull itself down towards the horizon as the
whole Milky Way moves the plane of the Galaxy moves towards the northwest
and there it goes here it goes again
and this was a even earlier and now we have as I'll
point out here is Dan ebb seder and then that whole region
I don't recall these stars albirio is in this Haze over here
and we're pointing at cygnus as it drops the last vestiges of Summer the summer
Milky Way is already gone um or the summer we call it the summer
up here in the northern hemisphere you see there's ice on there's ice out here in this Bay so
we've transferred from fall towards winter
and as the vestiges just let me go stop this because as the last messages of
summer are sinking and this was the only shot that I took where Andromeda shows
up um this whole region with Cassiopeia is
pretty much go circumpolar we could see that but my focus on the slideshow was
you know more of the reasons that we see in the summer and then the regions we see in winter so as we lose cygnus
region Orion returns this is on the other side while cygnus
is setting Orion is now rising and now coming up
right maybe yeah this is like in October this could be a it could be a September
shot too A lot of these shots were set that you're gonna see right September at
three in the morning four in the morning you know I had to get up early to get them they as you know as October
November December this starts happening earlier at night
and see here we go here it comes this is it rising and I'll pause this
was a this is a proud moment of mine when sky's up used this image it's a
pretty rich image all this is Orion's all dressed up and um you can see the California that's
your there's your nebula John yeah California yeah please you've got other
nebula here that if I get it by you know there there's all sorts of stuff going on and then these dust Lanes that are
here this other side of the Milky Way which um you know I would challenge more of us
that like to do the wide field type shooting to take advantage if you've got a pretty clear sky
you know see what you can do to get this because it's it's just the original
stuff it may not be right many H2 regions like uh you know like
I'm 33 like you said earlier and then 101 so if someone was looking at our
galaxy from a way far away they would say yep they'd see all this here yeah
it's a great shot yeah so theirs is that I could like going the other way I
remember at the beginning it was going and then this Sideshow ends with Orion now
standing straight up we're back we're at thick of
winter and so the very next slide would
go all the way this is the end of it the very next slide
um see this pic notice this picks up where that slide ended at the end so so that
picks up and now when Orion starts to set and you can see the
um yeah the springs that I could like going this way whereas the fall
the vehicle light angles the other way and Orion is around them both times
there is the spring there is all right some Ryan's around
here somewhere there he goes and there was another I added another
one where it was faint yeah coming out this from this building and there's Ryan
observing the zodiacal light and on this way
um you're heading towards the Casio Cassiopeia and Perseus and supremities
in there right this isn't no this is let's see if I
now I'm going to say that this is Cassiopeia right here this is a wide angle
yeah I think it's Cassiopeia and then there you got the double cluster didn't
get the heart and the Soul here but yeah because that's a the Milky Way didn't show up super well in this shot
but um
yeah there's no yeah Barnard's Loop shows up in this one yeah because I get uh whoops
yeah and a rosette right here that's a really wide field yeah yeah Cassiopeia
shows this is Cassiopeia right here does the cold help your shots today
I think there's a little less thermal noise it's already cold yeah it's picking up
you know this is a this is a modified camera so it's picking up a lot of uh
stuff so now we we had that presentation by Molly well there's the heart right
here you don't see nearly as much detail but it's right here Soul next to it
you know you had Cassiopeia over here Perseus this is actually my lot 20 this
group of stars here this uh that's actually uh it's a named star cluster and there is a little bit of an Easter
egg here you see this little part yeah that is E3 Comet 20 22 E3 right it was
when it was in Taurus I could see you yep there's Taurus right there's the comet there's Mars Mars
you have a similar uh well not like yours yours is like really good man yeah
this is like a this is a yeah this was a stitch Panorama and it was a it was a
pretty good night so I was able to get you know yeah it has a tail or your comment it looks like a very small yeah
there's a very small tail right here wow amazing there you go so well it's great
yeah Caesar's uh got his all right back up and running at this point yeah and
that's that's this is a good place to stop the presentation um one of the places I shot was um I
originally measured it at 21.2 I went back there and it measured at 21.4
so some of the places where I've captured readings the plan is to go back
and get more readings and um find out if
you know what the average is over a course of clear nights and not just
um not just one or two nights here or there because my you know there may be
an average that's higher than I think it is which which is better it's 21.4 is still four
tenths lower than what what the dark sky map says it should be so right yeah
we're still losing light but we I was pleasantly surprised we didn't lose as much we weren't losing as much light as
I thought we were but you know that's still down from where it was in 2015 so so there's still there's still an effort
to preserve those nice guys poor Cesar to do his work so I will jump out
yes your time yeah we everything is not working I
will join your your landscape are amazing and really enjoy it
I really I really had the whole that you can visit us and
take this I do too guys here yeah it'll complete the collection that I've
been Gathering I it that presentation when I can finally get the southern
Skies will be one near and dear to my heart it'll yeah I'll be able to complete all
the regions of the Milky Way thing that I um that I have I'd be able to actually
complete it with the entire the entire plane of the Galaxy that we can see from Earth so absolutely you'll need you'll
need coffee for that because you're gonna be up for three weeks straight probably you know yeah I'd have to one
of my trips is gonna have to be canceled in order for me to go to Argentina instead so I gotta
I gotta figure out what year I'm gonna forego Okie text and I'm gonna come to Argentina instead because that's
probably what's going to happen no no next in April next month we have the
Safari we are working a lot uh in in the preparation of this and why
we are happy to have this and you are all invited on any any question well do
you have my my contact and I can't give you fast so fast as possible all about
flies uh you know the tickets or all all
you need right cards rent a car or I'll definitely be in contact with you
when the time is ready well sir of course of course I I know I
know I've been well I'm again here I I as I told
um tonight is a windy night one as many many times of 100 kilometers miles per
hour scissor as you told me um but I I chose for now for tonight uh