Global Star Party 71

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7:00 p.m..Randall Rosenfeld - Dorner Telescope Museum
observed and David's even treated them like a Renaissance friendship book he's got
people right in his log books there you go David I'm talking about you again
and hello everybody and I had to go out and get my sun Sports before we um
7:15 p.m..Deepti Gautam
the sun got too low and so I'm back and uh
Scotty I want to congratulate you on inviting Randall to come here I think
7:30 p.m..Ten Minute Break
that was a master's term and I hope you'll be able to persuade him to be a regular contributor to the global scale
party here here absolutely Scott Scott is a is an innocent bystander in some
7:40 p.m..Jerry Hubbell - Live from MSRO
way the actual the real blame belongs to Kareem I'm afraid [Music]
and uh what I would do I thank you for that praise David is unmerited but uh
7:55 p.m..César Brollo - Live from Buenes Aires
yeah I'd I'd save your a safer um opinion Scott till after this
8:10 p.m..Jerry Hubbell MSRO
yeah we're gonna have a fun time tonight it's gonna be fun yeah
oh yeah and Scott thank you for putting these damn things on oh I said that earlier it is my pleasure
it really is and they're not damn things are these excellent they're amazing
8:30 p.m..Astronomical League 75th Anniversary
oh it's it's the it's the presenters that make it so amazing you know otherwise it'd just be like static on
the other end so we could just be actually an old TV turn
it to channel whatever 12. and and uh and then tell people that the
8:45 p.m..Marcelo Souza - Young Stars of Tomorrow
you know three percent of that static is a result of the echo of the Big Bang or
something and just run that for an hour if it was you and David having a
conversation for two hours I would still tune in that would be amazing
9:00 p.m..Scott Roberts - The Power of Stargazing
we may do that someday yeah let's do it okay here's a question for you and I'm
sure David eicher is probably he's probably done this already Scott
9:15 p.m..Ten Minute Break
doesn't exist a good interview about you in print and just your experience of need and and
9:25 p.m..Maxi and Adrian
later with your own uh David Levy wrote uh a a article about me
um that appeared uh just as I was transitioning from uh
Mead instruments to explore scientific so that that answers my question and
9:40 p.m..Till ?
explore and exposable ignorance thank you right
I think David used to run um you know features on various people
making them yeah you know various people producing stuff yeah I was inspired in telescope for
about 20 years I did that astronomy too though
and then astronomy as well remember the one about Al nagler in particular why I don't know but
there's a bunch of them anyways thank you for answering that
thank you thank you I enjoyed the column in both magazines
kind of wish I was still doing it but uh ends the breaks and uh but at least I'm
doing this
wow well I'm glad to see magazines haven't died I remember all the Doom and Gloom
when the electronic platforms were taking off it's a bit like people saying oh the book is going to be dead next
year don't buy any well who was wrong there that's been said for about 45 years now
yeah the death of the book yeah hasn't happened yet right the people who get
the maggot who get the print which is generally people our age but the people
who get the print do not want anything but the print well it could be and you mentioned age
in my case it could be a resolved age but uh I'd rather be holding a damn thing in my hands it's just I find it
easier to take the information in I'm looking at the screen and there's a tactile and stuff of
course I don't know if that applies to younger
people it does it does most of my students like having at least a portion
of the material in hand great good happens um hey Jerry
hey how you doing hi Jerry hi it's an interesting conversation you
guys are having about the tactile and the real world versus the spiritual world you know it's always better for
the real world to experience things directly in my my mind if you take an iPad to the beach it
usually doesn't turn out too well true
that's right you say that but these days we require those screens for outreach so we're taking them everywhere with us
the best thing would be a combination of both I guess it's easier to get the sand out of a
copy of astronomy than it is out of the iPad yes right but sometimes it's a path of least resistance I mean it's easier
to reach for the phone to get almost anything than it is to try to look it up on a bookshelf sometimes well and of
course I mean really the majority of people in their teens 20s and 30s only read things on this
you know yeah and they don't all necessarily
immediately know that about 90 of the most important information scientifically doesn't exist but in old
style libraries you know so excellent point it's not like all all
research is on the internet not by a long shot yeah of course Kareem would be
encountering that a lot assuming it'll be worse than the humanities of my experience
it's definitely worse than the humanities I actually I embrace it I have the students uh do digital
resources for the course instead of a static textbook but then I give them the
static textbook access as complementary materials and during Labs we have a
component of Digital Labs as well as somewhere they actually have to go out and take observations themselves and
even some now that are doing astrophotography processing so we try to combine a little bit of
what they're the most engaged in now along with where they'll find most of
the information in the archives and I've had students actually say you know sir where can we go to look at these
photographic plates of you know Hubble and and human said we want to see these physically and so I tell them you know
go visit go visit Mel Wilson like go and see some of these archives that they have at the universities in the US and
in the UK and uh you know at the Royal Institute of Science and like go and actually see some of this
that is cool that they even ask for that and I I have to admit a glass plate has
got a real presence yes as a thing um but yeah that's pretty much like so I
guess the best thing again is to encourage people to use both like I guess your responsibility crew or anyone
I mean this hell anyone in education applies to everyone on this uh Apostles everyone
at this session is the best you can do is show is point people to where the
resources are it was up to them to make use of them it has to be a little bit more than just
pointing them to where the resources are you have to find a way for them to connect to the understanding of why
those resources are important and the context why you could so for example
um when we were talking exoplanet transits and when we were talking of uh
of some of the observations that were being made of the current universe
one of the things we mentioned was that people have gone back to those photographic plates and they've seen
dips in the photometry they've seen that there was evidence they just didn't know that that's how they would find it or
that's what they should be looking for and so the idea that what was captured
back then is there still to analyze and to understand I mean the Apollo moon
rocks we're still opening them up with new tools and studying and learning more about the moon right so there's a
contextualization that has to be delivered in some way that engages the
youth so that they understand why these resources are still important to pay attention to
well that's a good lesson too and going forward with new technology you go back to even the current data we have today
we'll go in 20 years and re-analyze it with new tools and and find new things I
imagine uh quite a bit of stuff like that but he also gives you a historical
context on the way things were developed that's the biggest thing for me and the way Technology's developed over the over
the last few hundred years or 200 years is to really understand how that why it
developed the way it did and why why we're where we at where we're at right now you know why we're here
and the current data is not just something that can be checked on a line in a book going to look up data
in what you select and how you use it there are hundreds of bits of data that
vary in quality all over so it's a complicated thing to get the best
information and yeah David's absolutely right if you
can bring it off billions of stars rising and setting
over billions of Worlds including our own in this vast expanse how did our sun the
earth and the planets come to be in recent decades our understanding of
the Solar System's Evolution has greatly improved but deep questions remain
to answer those questions astronomers are preparing to visit someplace very small
asteroid bennu a lump of rock and organic material the early building
blocks of the solar system of Earth of us
Benny was a time capsule and its Journey takes us way way back four and a half
billion years the raw ingredients of bennu and our
solar system originated in a stellar Nursery a vast cloud of hydrogen helium
and dust our own sun doesn't yet exist
nearby are hot stars like this one quickly burning up its Fuel and
destroying itself in a colossal explosion called a supernova
the explosion destabilizes our Cloud causing it to collapse that's right
in the geologic blink of an eye a hundred thousand years gravity and
angular momentum flatten the cloud into a swirling disc in the center where molecules crash
together tightest protostar revs up to incredible pressures and temperatures
deep within the disc clumps of dust not much larger than a grain of wheat are flash heated into
droplets of molten rock called chondrials [Music]
remains a mystery chondrials are destined to become the building blocks of the solar system
coaxed by gravity and turbulence the chondrels clump they grow into the first asteroids into
mountains into planets the asteroids are Rubble piles of rock
metal ice and Organics this large asteroid is the parent body
of bennu a Proto Planet whose size we can only guess
closer to the protostar a planet begins to form and then
Dawn in the solar system the protostar undergoes fusion and
ignites revealing our sun but the solar system is far from
finished Jupiter most likely forms near its Outer Edge but just 500 million years after
the sun ignites some believe that it slowly moves inward its massive gravity
ripples the asteroid belt disrupting countless asteroids and comets
bringing them toward the Sun they rain down on the inner planets
hammering and re-melting large portions did these impacts also deliver Organics
and water key ingredients for life back in the asteroid belt bennu's parent
body is lucky it survives this period of heavy bombardment the solar system cools
and calms Jupiter in its many moons assume the orbits that we see today
billions of years of quiet follow more or less
than a billion years ago one Theory suggests a collision shatters the Proto
planet some of the debris Loosely coalesces
into a new smaller body bennu but bennu will not stay in place dull
non-reflective it slowly migrates toward the Sun solar heating turns its warm side into a
low intensity thruster through millions of years bennu's orbit
gradually tightens until it interacts with Saturn's gravity altering its trajectory and hurling it
into the inner solar system close encounters with Earth and Venus
follow their gravitational tugs may have repeatedly stretched and reformed venue
turning it inside out and pulling off loose material as a result it has no satellites of its
own until now today NASA is sending a spacecraft
called osiris-rex to explore bennu and retrieve a sample why bennu has survived
its long journey and settled into a near-earth orbit bringing its Secrets within our reach
now it is ready to teach us more about the Solar System's history its formation
its Evolution and our own place Among the Stars
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well hello everybody Welcome to the 71st Global star party I'm Scott Roberts with
the explore Alliance and explore scientific we're really proud and happy to bring you this presentation
and the theme of the program is Worlds but worlds could take us anywhere and
and that's what this star parties intended to do is to spur on your
imagination and to make you explore whether you're at your telescope right
now or just sitting back watching this program we want you to think about the universe that you live in and all of its
imaginable and unimaginable uh incarnations so
if that doesn't sound real Spacey I don't know what does so anyways we have a great lineup of
speakers uh we will start off with David Levy we have Carol orange here who's the
president of the astronomical League um uh Dave Liker uh editor-in-chief of
astronomy magazine uh we'll be discussing uh Earth's Universe of
minerals and uh I don't know if I'm going to pronounce this right but I think it's pronounced rhodochrosite
um and is that right David yeah you nailed it Scott yay okay
a beautiful mineral uh with crystalline structure that's actually quite rare so
that's very cool your English teacher would be proud
uh Kareem Jaffer from the Royal Astronomical Society of Montreal of the Montreal Center
um is with us today uh and he will be talking about Astro radio reach out or
Outreach and a reach out I think is what it's called reach out and touch base space right all right
um and uh he'll be introducing Randall Rosenfeld of uh the Dorner telescope
Museum DT good Tom from Nepal will be on uh later on and then we'll take a break
we have Jerry Hubble live from The Mark Slade remote Observatory Cesar brolo uh
from Buenos Aires live from Argentina um uh we've got
um uh uh Marcelo Souza will come on and of course I am going to come on with a
short presentation about the power of stargazing so uh it's a truncated
presentation what I normally give which could go somehow go on and on
um and then we'll do a 10 minute break and then come to like a third session with uh our uh after party so I'm glad
you've all joined us uh I want to turn this program over to David Levy dear
friend Comet Discoverer author um and friend of astronomers everywhere
David it's all yours well thank you so much Scotty it is really a pleasure to
be here today and especially since we have a new presenter a very special presenter named
Randall Rosenfeld who is here for the first time and I hope he will be a regular
on these future Global star parties I first met Randall at the St John's
general assembly of the Royal Astronomical Society in Canada we were on the flight home
from St John's to Toronto and then Randall
would stay there and I would continue on to Arizona anyway
um we were talking about you know the observing records that I prepared over
many many years and he suggested that I donate them to
the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada I could not do that because I'd already donated them to the Linda Hall library
in Kansas City no one to easily give up to give up easily Randall's then
suggested that the online version be donated to
the Royal Astronomical Society and that I did and the society has them all now Randall has
since become the first director of the new Dorner telescope Museum and I'm sure
he will be talking about that a little bit later as I go on into my observing and we go
out at night as I will tonight to look at the torrid meteor shower looking forward very very much to that not very
many meteors but the ones we see are bright and in fact the brightest movie I ever
saw was a torrid back when I was living at the other Home in Veronica Tucson it was so bright that
the neighborhood dogs all started barking it lit up the sky like day it was really same thing well I see one
like that tonight I doubt it but we'll see my poem today is going to be from tennis
and one of my favorite poems poets I found out while I was doing research
on things that he has a great great grandson who is living today his name is
Jonathan Dennison and I was able to meet him in London a few years ago
and uh I asked him about his uh does he have a does he share the love of poetry
at his great great grandfather had and he said no The Poetry actually casted a long Shadow
through the Jemison family the minute I walked into his office there was a
friend picture on the wall that contained two stanzas from the memorial I looked at
Jonathan pointed at the poem and Jonathan said well you can't you can't remember
part of the family anyway my poem today is from Ulysses and other Tennessee poem
and I hope you'll enjoy it as you go out and observe the toilets
tonight and as you think of all the worlds that are out there which is our theme for
today and imagine the worlds from earth-sized Worlds
Jupiter size worlds even to the tiny rules of news
the lights begin to twinkle from the rocks the long day wings
the slow Moon climbs the Deep moans around with many voices come my friends
it is not too late to seek a newer world push off and sitting well in order Smite
the sounding Thrones for my purpose holes to sail Beyond The
Sunset and the baths of all the Western Stars until I die
it may be that the golf swore washes down it may be that we shall touch the happy
Isles and see the great Achilles whom we knew so much is taken much abides and though
we are no longer not now that strength which in all days moved Earth and Heaven
that which we are we are one equal temper of aroha Parts made
week by time and Faith but strong and well to strive to seek
to find and not to yield back to you Scotty yeah yeah that's
awesome beautiful David um there's a comment from the audience
audience uh actually there was an earlier comment earlier in the week um and someone was asking me to ask you
about Comet Leonard and um uh what you might know about that comment if you've
been observing it and what you think might happen supposed to be supposedly a brightening
or becoming a bright comet it is right
I'm allergic especially bright ones yeah
anyway comma Leonard I have not seen yet but I'm looking forward to seeing it
later in the year that's quite right in the morning sky
it'll be nice to see a bright Comet it's supposed to be the brightest one since nail wise and uh looking forward to seeing you at
the end of the year and that's about all I can tell you about it but remember the Comets do what
they want and you know my most famous quotation about comets and cats
it started out impromptu I was being interviewed the day before the Shoemaker
leaving nine impact s on Jupiter on NBC The Today Show
and uh they asked me I like it describe comments and I had
gotten like two hours of sleep that night I was very nervous didn't know what to say and I just said
on the slide comments are like cats they both have tails and they don't both do
precisely what they want and that quotation has lasted all these
years that day on The Today Show
wonderful David I have a question I was I was on the phone for a minute with
Tyler so I didn't get to hear everything you said but um did you did you mention that comets were
seen as a harbinger of of bad times yes I I don't know I didn't mention that
but you're absolutely right here they were and uh
not the not that the you know the pandemic and neo-wise and what was the other one uh pan stars came along right
before that so and hail Bob certainly led directly to the deaths of his 30
30 young people at Heaven's Gate but um
I believe that comets can have effects on people and as proof of that I offer
myself comments have had a very profound effect on my life and how it has been LED ever
since I was an elementary school student started searching in high school in 1965
and I'm still doing that today thank you
and one last question David uh Minerva the telescope in front of you someone
wanted to know more about this telescope Minerva is one of my parents of the
telescopes and this is not a an image this is the real telescope
and when I go out to the dark side that our clubhouse which I try to go once a
month with my friend David Ross I bring this telescope and music I've
had it since May 1967 it's still one of my favorite telescopes it is not quite optically a
sharp as narcissus which is the explore scientific shred Newtonian that I have
and that Randall may talk about later but it has history and that's why I use
it okay it is a six inch F4
Newtonian reflector the tub has been changed multiple times the mining has been changed multiple
times but the Optics are the original Optics from 1967.
it was made by a firm called the optical Craftsman and it arrived the day after
I was almost expelled from the Royal restaurant with the society in Canada the day after a few hours later
and uh that's a story for another time Kareem and I apologize
yes if I had been around back then I would have fought for you me too thanks I look as if I was around
back now I'm more or less innocent I I have to say what did what David was
describing that it it occurred to me you know when you talk to car collectors and
they have this old car it's an antique but then they talk about this part was replaced and this part was replaced but
it's still the original car right so when David talks about his optical issue
I always feel like that like he's he's telling us the history but he also has kept track of every single piece that's
been modified but it's still the same scope right yeah exactly and I use it
I've not discovered any comments with the telescope I've made independent discoveries and partners with this
telescope and I've seen a ton of comments with Christopher well that's great that's wonderful
okay um we are uh we are going to uh go to
Carol Orange from the astronomical League uh the astronomical league is the world's largest Federation of astronomy
clubs over 300 clubs I think uh around maybe over 20 000 members just over 20
now yes over 20 now they're growing and growing fast and they are Global uh you
can become a member of the astronomical League from any country uh through their membership at large program
um so you'll want to get in touch with them at astrowleague.org
um but uh uh Carol it's a pleasure to have you on the program and uh we are
anxious to learn about the the uh door prize questions
and later on in the program uh you've uh you'll honor Us by talking about the
75th anniversary of the astronomical league so very exciting Year we're in as well looking
forward to that thank you Scott for the nice introduction and David uh uh I am
dying to hear about that other Story one of these days but as you say that's for another talk
so anyway um share my screen here let's jump right
into the questions
anytime we uh have door prizes won we always like to have the proper
precautions particularly if it's an instrument that you're going to be looking at the sun to make sure that uh
we have the reminder that you're not to look at that without proper filtering if it's going through a telescope or a
binoculars and so on so that's something well it's like to remind our members and other visitors
tuning in now we'd like to go to the last star party and
give the answers from the GSP for October 26 2021
the first question the snake eyes are found in what constellation we had four
choices one was Scorpius serpents Hydra and Ursa Major the correct answer was
Scorpius
the second question from the last GSP which of these famous stars is by far
the largest the sun Cirrus Antares or Arcturus Arcturus and the correct answer
is Antares the red star and teres
the final one for almost 50 years this dwarf planet and the asteroid belt was
regarded as a primary Planet what is it the correct answer is Cirrus
and we had several people correctly answer the questions Andrew corkel Josh
Kovac Rick Eubank Norm Hughes Israel
mataroso he's been on this program several times Cameron Gillis is always on this program
saves and James Hubbard who's also been on a couple times
and the winners for the month of October and we select winners preliminary
winners each week and then have a final drawing at the end of the month and the
winners of a special prize for October are Israel Israel mataroso James Hubbard and
Dennis Walsh so congratulations to all of you and you'll be getting your prize
very soon and now let's look at the questions for
tonight and as with all of our GSP star parties send your answers to secretary
at astrowleague.org that's secretary at
astrolig.org question number one
who described Saturn's rings as the ears of a teacup
who described Saturn's rings as the ears of a teacup
and send your answers to secretary at astrolig.org
question number two Vesta is which type of celestial body
Vesta is which type of celestial body
and the final one what is the sun's outermost atmosphere called
what is the sun's outermost atmosphere called and again send your answers to secretary
at astrolig.org as Scott was saying a few minutes ago I'll be back a little bit later we'll
talk about the special celebration we have coming up uh in just a few days technically our 75th Anniversary back to
you Scott great thank you so much
there we go okay all right well that's uh that's that's fantastic and uh really
looking forward not only to hearing about the 75th Anniversary event but experiencing it so uh it is uh it's a
huge milestone in uh amateur astronomy um and something that you should all
check out um so more about that later uh coming up next is uh Dave eicher from astronomy
magazine Now Dave not only describes the deepest depths of our universe uh in all of its amazing
complexity but uh he brings it on home uh with his uh his collection of
minerals and crystals uh because it's all of course connected to the entire
universe uh and it's amazing what gets cooked up here uh in our own planet and
so David I'm going to turn it over to you Ma'am thank you Scott I'm going to uh do some
more we'll do some more uh planetary science tonight if that's tonight okay some more minerals
um let me start the show here if I can and are you seeing that okay yes it
looks beautiful I've used I love that specimen by the way it it's very nice it's a piece of Tanzanite which is a
silicate mineral called zoecide and and the fellows who discovered a lot of gemi
crystals of this type in Tanzania in the 19 late 1950s and early 1960s
um rather than calling it zoa site they had the great marketing idea to call it tanzanite and start making jewelry out
of it and they made countless tens of millions of dollars from it so there you
go tanzanite from Tanzania but tonight I'd like to talk about a different uh
mineral um but I'll talk a little bit about minerals and about a universe of water first if I can one of our themes for
tonight the universe is ordered it's not ordered by plan but it is ordered by physics uh
Thomas Jefferson famously said I believe in a divinely ordered universe Isaac Newton one of the great Heroes
founders of modern science if you will said truth among many other things truth is ever to be found in the Simplicity
and not a in the multiplicity in confusion of things well the universe is ordered not by
Supernatural design or by Magic as Richard Dawkins likes to say but by the
principles of physics minerals in a very simple way are How the Universe likes to
build planets and they demonstrate that their atoms are assembled in precise ways not by magical Properties or
supernaturalism but by electrochemical attractions that are properties of these
atoms so they come together uh in a specific way when the chemicals are
available in that way to make up a specific what mineralogists call a
crystal lattice so we're seeing the way planets are built
um and as we've talked about before with some other kinds of minerals we have about 5 000 species of minerals on Earth
uh we went through a big event more a little more than two billion years ago on our planet when a lot of free oxygen
was suddenly available in the atmosphere what does oxygen like to do it likes to combine with things very very easily and
rapidly that tripled the number of minerals that we have on our planet from about 1700 to about five thousand so um
but a lot of these um would be because of we we know that the chemistry in the universe is uniform
we know that through spectroscopy everywhere we look uh the properties of
planets would change from you know one end of the spectrum to another as far as
temperatures and pressures and so on but the chemistry would be the same so these
minerals give us a glimpse not only of of our Earth and how it was built but of
other planets in the universe as well tonight I'd like to talk a little bit
about a favorite mineral of mine and of many many collectors of minerals who
enjoy planetary science rhodochrosite which uh was thought to be just a kind
of an ordinary thing and then in the last uh 150 or 200 years some really
magnificent specimens of this mineral uh were discovered in a number of places and it got to be a very popular uh
mineral because of its color and Crystal form it's manganese carbonate so it's a
carbonate which is a CO3 here carbon and oxygen with manganese attached as well
it can be pink rose red strong strongly red colored yellowish gray brown or gray
it's a primary gang mineral that means it's not really inherently very valuable
uh as an ore um but but is pretty uh it it forms in
moderate to low temperature high hydrothermal veins so these are hot chemical fluids that are rich in carbon
and in manganese that form these crystals it was named in 1813 by Johann
Friedrich Ludwig hollsman from the Greek word for Rose rhodochrosite Houseman has
an interesting mineral named after him as well how is monite it's a member of the calcite group these
these uh carbonate minerals uh calcite is is a calcium carbonate uh and it
forms a series with calcite that's a very very common mineral and with ciderite which is an iron uh carbonate
mineral there are great localities uh for this mineral uh the type locality that is the first discovery uh where the
first good specimens were found and it was analyzed and named uh is in Romania
but they're great specimens that come from all sorts of places including Colorado Mexico Argentina and others so
I'll show as I've been doing just a few examples uh called from my own uh humble
collection but not quite yet to show you a few examples of these first though
here's the crystal structure of rhodochrosite rhodochrosite likes to make
rhombohedrons ideally as far as its Crystal what mineralogists call its
Crystal habit the shape of its crystals coming together and here's a simplified diagram of one and you can see that
purple represents manganese gray carbon and red the oxygen atoms in this Crystal
diagram so here's a the famous uh American mine
uh locality is a defunct silver mine that actually my Father John I've
mentioned him now and then back in the 1920s and 30s when he was first out in
Colorado it was called the home sweet home mine back then and it was a defunct
used up worthless Silver Mine uh in near
Alma Colorado and and then someone in the late 1950s discovered a huge wall
pocket of beautiful rhodochrosite in his mind and it had a whole new second life this this mind so this is a very famous
locality now for rhodochrosite here you can see a few small quartz crystals as
well and you can see this rhombohedral shape here on this specimen
but it doesn't always form that way there are what are called scalenohedral
crystals as well and this is a very intense cherry red color from the
manganese atoms is what colors this mineral um and you can see this this kind of uh
uh Crystal form comes from a variety of mines in the Kalahari manganese fields
in South Africa which is another important locality for this mineral
this is rhodochrosite with calcite the white calcite here you can see these
kind of rosettes forming the the crystal uh structure here and this is from the
type locality in Romania here the original discovery of rhodochrosite
and you can see it ranges from that intense red to this is sort of a you know a bubble gum pink a lot of the
specimens as well depending on the concentration of of the manganese
contaminant if you will amazing it looks very fragile
uh it's fairly it is I haven't gotten into all the properties of all the minerals because I'm torturing you
enough with all this time but there's a lot that can be talked about with this you're right though Scott it is a
relatively soft mineral so it's difficult to cut and use in jewelry
because it is relatively soft but it's a beautiful mineral to display here's
another Colorado mine This is called the not far from the sweet home this is called The Sunny Side mine and you can
see the rhombohedrons of this sort of pinkish color uh here with with a lot of
quartz crystals on this one this is a rhodochrosite uh you can see
these kind of balls or spheres of of the mineral here with quartz and with some
calcite as well from a Greek locality so this is just kind of showing you the
same mineral um can have a fairly big range of color and of Crystal forms or habits here's a
nice from Potosi Mexico example of uh the Mexican rhodochrosite
as well which is kind of a botroidal uh uh you know grape like a series of kind
of grapes on a on a platter kind of uh shape of the crystals this is a very
famous American location that's very old that predates the Sweet Home mine the
Emma mine in Butte Montana Butte Montana is a huge very old American mining
district and this was one of the early finds of rhodochrosite in the United States
this is a blade that's fairly large it's about maybe about six inches across or
so and very intense color uh and fairly thin we're looking at it but it's fairly
thin if you were to rotate this 90 degrees this is from a relatively recent Chinese find the wutong mine in China
then we go back here's another Romanian example that's a little bit different looking than the earlier one even from
the same mine the same locality you can get looks from these different individual specimens That Vary a good
deal this is a big one this is about the size of one's head uh here a big chunk a big
rock rhodochrosite with Pyrite this is another old European locality in
Bulgaria here and you can see little cubes of pyrite on on the rhodochrosite
as well now this is interesting this is from a very interesting and unique place called
The Kirch peninsula in the Ukraine um and what we're seeing here you know there's back and forth uh with
mineralogy not only making planets but with living things now you know that I
imagine most all of you know that your teeth for example which are the most dense things in your body are made of
hydroxyl appetite a mineral and this is
a fossil shell that is something on the order of five to three million years old that lived and died a bivalve uh in this
pit now that is in the Ukraine and at some point
um a couple million or more years ago recrystallized part of its shell in the
mineral rhodochrosite so there's an exchange sometimes of
minerals uh back and forth of course between mineral samples and living
things as time goes on and especially on very long time scales which is is kind
of fascinating this is a big play this is my nicest
specimen this is about uh almost a foot across and it has really nice these sort
of cherry red rhombohedrons of sweet home rhodochrosite this is a little bit
tough to get now a piece of this size from this mine and it has a lot of
quartz crystals you can see the long thin quartz and then some other minerals too most importantly this sort of dark
gray which is a a a a sulfide mineral
with antimony and silver and a few other elements in it called tetrahedrite
that's from the Sweet Home mine uh and that's a nice one that's a big plate
there and then I thought I'd show one interesting one there's an Argentinian locality where a lot of rhodochrosite
comes from that is cut and made into display things it's still it's relatively soft as you said Scott but in
this mine in Argentina uh the Catamarca mine there are these enormous
stalactites uh that form that are made out of this banded rhodochrosite and
this is a cut slice that has been polished uh you can see cut out of a
stalactite which is pretty interesting and and has a pretty intense color uh and if you go
to the Tucson show or the Munich show or one of these gem shows you can see lots of this stuff
um available and it's pretty neat because it shows you the formation from these Central uh intense rings of how
the mineral crystallized as more of this hot fluid dumped more of these atoms
onto the Crystal and it built out we're there so that shows you how planets are
made so that is my little show of rhodochrosite a manganese carbonate
mineral that's a beautiful uh pink or red uh or a mineral that is attractive
for collectors because of its intense color Scott back to you well thank you thank
you beautiful all right well we will we will uh move
on to uh uh Professor Kareem Jafar uh
the Abbott John Abbott college right yep and uh yeah and uh the Royal Astronomical Society Montreal Center and
uh Kareem is going to be talking about um a radio program that he's involved
with and I believe another character named David Levy might be involved in it too is that right he's popping in for a
visit and uh we're gonna we're gonna have some fun I I see he's stepped away for a moment but I'm hoping he's back by
the time I by the time I get to that spot I do want to mention uh you know with this
fantastic presentation that David eicher has been doing I I have to admit I'm
trying to find room on my shelves I need to get some of these amazing minerals in on display I think I think I'm not alone
in that am I Scott uh many I mean all of us I think uh were fascinated with uh
crystals and minerals in our youth and uh and you know and hearing David
explain them and really be uh you know the one that can take us down into the
you know Atomic level of these things it really makes them fascinating you know I have only one warning gentleman
considering you good good friends just like books warning
these things multiply quickly so be careful what what one wishes for yeah
this is exponentially right exactly exactly yeah yeah and I I think as the
as my kids get older and need less space I can just fill up that space with all of my stuff for my hobby right
and eventually they'll come and take that as well I know I know at least that's the hope it's no sin whatsoever
in my book to be a collector yeah that's right yeah I agreed agreed
all right I'll share my screen uh I actually you know when I when I saw this topic of Worlds the first thing that
popped into my mind was actually exoplanets because I have a group of students that are currently doing exoplanet transits for their projects
and uh last Wednesday after Jenna had joined us for uh Star Party previously
she did a late night session with my students on the remote telescope that the rasc runs in California and we
managed to get a couple of transits of known exoplanets and then last night we
were up with the telescope from 10 p.m till midnight our time programming it to
do a test object of Interest so now we're actually going to see if we can confirm possible exoplanet so I thought
you know what I'm going to talk about exoplanets and I'm going to bring in the whole exoplanet tourist bureau from NASA
and we're gonna have fun but in the back of my mind the word worlds was just resonating in a different way and so I
actually want to pay homage to Scott in a way for opening me up to Worlds of
astronomy Outreach and that's what I want to do tonight is I want to tell you a little bit of what's opened up to me
since my first exposure with Scott to a global audience and so part of this is
you know a little bit of an homage part of it is also to share with the audience an amazing volunteer effort happening in
the UK that I think we all could benefit from if people have an interest in in
having a little bit more astronomy in their lives and I think there's nothing wrong with having a little bit more astronomy in your lives I don't know if
Scott has any more room in his schedule but if he does you know it'd be great to be great for him to also be one of our
guests on the Reach Out And Touch space panel I'd be honored sure excellent I'm
going to follow up with you on that that would be fantastic and uh David eichers already had a couple of his assistant
editors on but maybe we can get him on and uh Carol and everyone I see in the
the chat I know I'm gonna pull in at some point over the next hopefully couple of years because this is the one
thing about what the pandemic has has brought us in terms of opportunity is I
really hope that this doesn't go away I hope that when we're back in person and we're back doing things live we still
keep some element of this collegiality and this this collaboration
that we have across regions and not just across field but across regions because it really adds to all of our Lives I
think in in a lot of ways so I want to I want to talk about all of that but first I always do a little check-in with my
local centers I want to tell you about a neat little initiative that uh my Outreach colleague Russell has been
doing and he's been trying to put together a set of inreach for our club and the next inreach that we've planned
is actually citizen science and so the first episode of Citizen science is happening later this month we're going
to be discussing solar and Aurora science we're going to be discussing some zuniverse projects that my students
get to do and we're going to be sharing a simple little experiment to measure the speed of light in your own home now
this sort of inreach we're going to open it up to guests so if you want to attend if you're interested email me Montreal
ask gmail.com and I'll make sure to pass you the zoom link closer to the date it
it's 8 to 9 pm Eastern at that point it's going to be Standard time because we're going to stop this daylight
savings and we're going to go back to the the standard time and you know it's it's going to match up very nicely with
a nice late night and a full moon so other than going out and taking some
pictures of the Moon the rest of the observing might be a little difficult so we tend to do our clubhouses at that
time uh and this is going to be a fun little inreach Outreach of it and we're going to start with solar and auroras
because as everybody's been noticing the sun's getting much more active and our friend Chris from astronomy by the Bay
who we talked to last week he posted a rural forecast over the last couple of
days now unfortunately this past weekend when we were hoping to see aurorae we had
nothing but clouds and rain in Montreal and clouds and rain everywhere and I
actually was commenting uh one of the one of the New Brunswick astronomers put
this beautiful star Trail up and I mentioned that you know I I asked my students to draw what the northern
Horizon would look like between the Horizon and the zenith
if you just open up your camera for two hours and this was one of their test questions and you know a lot of them
found the pole star in the right location a lot of them showed the right size Arc so I know I'm doing something right but one person wrote after they
drew this beautiful diagram of what they would see they wrote in the comments um but if it was Montreal it would just
be Gray [Laughter] and so not only have I taught them well
the science I'm teaching them the reality of the Practical considerations of astronomy
but because Chris shared this we actually got some images of a Rory from
other locations in Quebec that weren't clouded out and last night at around three in the morning the Aurora was just
dancing in a lot of the northern Skies now tonight we're hoping for an even larger auroral show because the sun gave
off this beautiful cannibalistic uh coronal massage action uh yesterday and
I know our friends in New Zealand got amazing aurorae 12 hours ago so we're hoping to get some and it's actually
going to be clear in a little while so I might go out tonight if I'm not too tired after all of this
but what I wanted to share with you a little bit tonight was this journey that
I've gone on since joining the global star parties and the first Global star party that I actually did was hosting
the international astronomy day back on May 15th and that was supposed to be a four-hour wonderful presentation and set
of great stories from our local Montreal Center and a couple of friends
and it became a eight-hour marathon and we had a blast over those eight hours
and one of the things that I did at that point is I actually reached out to a few colleagues that I had met over this Zoom
year and I invited them to join us for this International astronomy day and one of the ones who joined us was Pete
Williamson from the UK and Pete talked to us a little bit about using remote telescopes and the way I had met Pete
was his article in sky and Telescope about doing Juno cam processing and doing some citizen science with General
camp so when I started chatting with Pete a little bit more he invited me to come
and visit and understand a little bit of what he's been doing in the UK he's a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society
over there and he's the lead volunteer on this volunteer radio show called or
radio network called astral radio they run off of an Internet platform and
they have listeners from all across the world most of their shows including the
panel show that I'm on Reach Out And Touch space reaches sometimes 350
000 listeners live wow it's incredible we have people from Antarctic research
station we have people from Iran in the desert we have people from Japan and China we have people from Australia
North America South America and it's such a diverse audience and while we're
in the show they're dropping emails to Pete and he brings some of them in and
in this Astra radio one of the wonderful things is is it's not just astronomy but
it's the connection between astronomy and pop culture and Pete used to be a guitarist and bassisted in bands and so
he brings in this musical perspective and most of the participants myself excluded have a bit of a musical
background I leave the music to my kids they're much better at it than I am um but if you look at their schedule
over the span of a day you have a little bit of astronomy a little bit of music a little bit of a combination of those you
have the BBC eye on the sky you have a search for near-earth objects so talking
a little bit about recent observations and things to to know about you have
some shows that are solely focused on music and the one that I'm involved in is Reach Out And Touch space and that is
recorded every Monday and Thursday at about 3 P.M eastern time which is about
8 P.M in the UK now Reach Out touch space is a panel show
and so I just wanted to share with you a little bit of what this has brought for me before I talk to you a little bit
more about the show itself and in meeting all of these individuals the first thing they were all interested in
is how can we collaborate how can we do things together so I invited some of them to come and give public talks to my
Center so uh Steve warbis uh from the Macclesfield Society in the UK who is
very close to an airport he and I were chatting about light polluted skies because Montreal is awful
when it comes to light pollution so it gave an amazing talk on being able to do imaging in like polluted skies and
things that you don't worry about when you're actually stuck in the city so for example and I know this is this is awful
for astrophotographers to hear but she suggested Imaging in jpeg because if
you're in a light polluted city the raw doesn't give you very much more and so jpeg gives you a faster turnaround time
and so if you're trying to do star Trails or if you're trying to actually layer a lot of images
just use JPEG and that's what he uses he showed us being able to find what should
be a dark spot and calibrate your image accordingly and it's one of the tricks that I showed my
students when we were doing Andromeda pictures that were taken within the city then you have Mary McIntyre and I'm
going to talk to you more about Marion a little bit but she gave us this amazing talk at the end of July on making
stunning star trails and not only did she give us this incredible talk but she then put together a resource PDF for all
of the individuals who attended the Talk Plus all of our Center members and this
this was amazing because these were things that we've listened to our own members who are
members who do some of this astronomy you've met qua who does you know deep sky from downtown and you've met David
Schuman who does a lot of astronomy pictures for us but what they brought was a different
perspective because they've been working with different equipment they have a different collaborative environment over there and so a lot of the techniques
that she brought forward most of us have not been using they also have this beautiful astronomy
and music festival that they do every year and this year it was virtual so I actually got to join and I got to participate as a presenter even though
it was right two days before my my courses started so it's called solar sphere and it's an astronomy and music
festival and normally it's held at this Ranch outside of the cities in the UK and you go there for the day and you
know it's a lot like most of our star parties except that they have a band on
stage pretty much the entire time so there's a combination of astronomy presentations and live music from
astronomers and so they're sharing not just their astronomy background but also their pop culture and their their
artistic side and then Pete of course since I met him through the junocam stuff he did a
workshop for training some of our Outreach volunteers here in Canada to do processing of Mars picks for
perseverance and so he taught us a few of the things that he uses for the perseverance pictures as they come in
real time and it's neat to see now some of our local Outreach people starting to
set up workshops for winter on processing Mars pictures from Curiosity and perseverance
but I told you I'd mention to you a little bit more about Mary and the reason why I mentioned that is because Mary was just awarded the 2021 Sir
Patrick Moore prize for the British astronomical Association and that's for her Outreach work and I've actually
shown you some of her Outreach work in the past we talked about the meteor Network that the meteor camera Network
that she runs in the UK that has been keeping an eye on a lot of these impacts and looking for fireballs and looking
for meteorite impact and I heard David say he's going to go out looking for uh for meteors tonight so that was a
picture from three nights ago over the span of four hours those are how many
different streaks they were able to catch with magnitudes up to I believe she said nine that they were able to
catch so even the very very faint ones they were able to detect with their camera Network and then she's been doing
a lot of amazing sketching and I shared some of that with the global Star Party audience a while back but this last
weekend she got to do her first in-person sketching from after a long time and so some of these sketches are
from Youth and some of these sketches are from adults who've never sketched before and some are from amateur
astronomers that have actually done this at the eyepiece before and this is what's amazing about about these worlds
intersecting is because we do sketching here in Montreal we do meteor detecting here in Montreal you do it in the U.S
people do it all over the world and so when we actually start to chat together and share our stories and share our
experiences we all have a different trips and and and approaches that we can share with each
other another member of the panel Andy Briggs he did a talk at solar sphere on how to
photograph a black hole and I loved it so I said you know would you mind coming and talking to my class about this and
he said absolutely and so he's joining my class by zoom in a couple of weeks to talk about how to photograph a black
hole that image that we did and what's neat about this is he keeps updating
this presentation as new research comes out from the original data files plus
the ones they've been adding so this twist where you can actually start to see the magnetic field lines is
something that he covers and he talks about how reliably we know that this is actually the structure that we're seeing
from the polarization of the light that was detected coming from this black hole in m87
so Reach Out And Touch space the show that I'm on is a panel show it brings in
guests in different research areas or in amateur Visual and photographic
astronomy and other sciences that overlap in astronomy we bring in uh
individuals who make Optical instruments individuals who have inventions that they've put out on the market that we
want to talk about and during the show the panel is animated and chatting and
discussing some days we don't have guests and we just have a full chat show of talking about the most recent things
in space and it's intermixed with music being sent out on the radio station and
whenever the music is sent out the panel gets to keep chatting so we keep chatting while the music is being played
to the listeners and we have individuals from all across the UK Europe and now
Canada join into this panel regularly so the reason why I'm bringing this up
to you today in specific is because they've given me the invitation for next week to be Montreal week after this week
was highlighting some of the UK astronomers so this past Monday we had
Dr Jenny Carter who's the Caroline Herschel prize lecturer uh and she's going to be giving the prize lecture on
November 18th but next week we get to do a Montreal week and a Montreal week
starts with our favorite honorary Montreal president David Levy and so Dave is going to be coming on Reach Out
And Touch space on Monday November 8th and I have here a picture of when David gave the Townsend lecture for the Rask
Montreal Center the most recent time and he got his double star certificate which was fantastic
and I also have a little image here of when David came up for a surprise visit
about a year and a half well two years ago pre-covered and he gave us this awesome little model of a telescope that
had been gifted to a father at St Mary's University I believe if I'm not mistaken
and this was one that we now have in our collection at our library in John Abbott
college and it's the library that we host for the rascon trail Center the i.k Williamson Library
I want to remind you using these pictures that Montreal is the real home
of David Levy you know David to his friends and so as much as you know he's got his his place down there and you
know he's got all his friends down there and we did try to kick him out once a long time ago much to our Chagrin uh
we're still the home of David Lee so we can't have a Montreal week on any show without having David first
that's great thank you thanks Kareem of course of course and we're looking forward to the chat because uh we
recently had been talking about uh Carolyn Shoemaker and Jean Shoemaker and a lot of the members of the panel had
met Carolyn in the past and so they're really looking forward to talking to David and getting a little bit of his
experiences and his history and we all know what an amazing poet and and
how literal his literary background that David brings and this is the sort of
discussion that we end up having in this panel Show often is is the the crossover
between professional astronomy amateur astronomy and literary sciences and
poetry I mean musicians are pretty much poets and lyricists themselves right uh our
second speaker next week or our second guest next week is Dr Natalie Willette and she's the Outreach scientist for the
James Webb Space Telescope she's the coordinator of the institute for research on exoplanets here in Montreal
and after the lead for the Townsend lecture we actually had Natalie give the Townsend lecture a couple of years ago
and she gave Electra on the James Webb Space Telescope and that's going to be launching in a month and a half and so
we thought it was timely to bring her in to talk a little bit about James Webb Space Telescope and I hope this doesn't
embarrass her but I had to share with you that you know there's there's a certain personality that comes out to do
Outreach and we all know this because we have this this side of ourselves that's a little bit zany so I wanted to share
with you her awesome Halloween costume [Laughter]
enter uh uh you know her skirt there yeah and her James love telescope I mean
I love it she has and we had a we had a life-size model of the James Webb on display in Montreal a couple of years
ago and so she has this little pendant that actually is made with that same hexagonal design for the for the
antennae for that so we're really looking forward to having some Montreal people come in to
reach out and touch space and I wanted to invite if anybody in our panel or in
our audience has an interest in joining into this panel show and coming in as a guest listen up watch some of our shows
all of our shows are recorded on Mixcloud and the links are available on the Astro Radio website and join us come
in as a guest and we would love to hear from you but one of the things I will tell you and I'll warn you and I've warned David about this one of the first
questions we're going to ask is what are your musical tastes and they can be as eclectic as you want we're not gonna
We're Not Gonna uh ostracize you for eclectic taste or I I do have to admit
they tease me a little bit for the country that I listen to and the Bluegrass that I listen to because in
the UK that's not very popular and that's not something that they can actually you know connect with but there's some Beatles and some nice you
know uh techno in my in my background some nice hard rock so so they still accept me so if you're going to come in
as a guest make sure to know what your musical preferences are because we're going to ask you and we're going to share it with the audience so that's a
little bit of what Reach Out And Touch space is all about and so I wanted to share that with you and I want to again thank Scott because if it hadn't been
for the GSP 45 I don't know that I would have entered
into this whole global environment for outreach and made all the connections that I've made you know being able to
all of a sudden you know start messaging Maxi and messaging uh uh Cesar and you
know reaching out to New Zealand and doing an event with New Zealand these are things that a year ago wouldn't have
been fathomable for us and you've made a lot of this accessible so I really want to thank you for that
I'm I'm very happy to have played a tiny role in that but it really is your creativity Kareem Your Enthusiasm your
passion your knowledge it's very contagious uh I said it before and I'll say it again I wish that you know if I'd
gone to school to learn astronomy I wish I could have learned it from you so I think you're fantastic and um uh a uh a
true treasure in the astronomy Outreach community so thank you I appreciate that and I love being a part of the GSP say
this this makes my week often uh it's you know it's it's hard these days uh
getting through the week sometimes and and the gsps is something that that keeps driving me forward that Reach Out
And Touch space and then of course the interaction with the students the those things just keep you going
absolutely now I'm as as you know from the last couple of weeks Scott invited
me to bring in a couple of the rasc members from Canada to join the gsps and
tell us a little bit about their own adventures and the things they've been doing and so a couple weeks ago we had
Jenna Hines who was the Outreach coordinator for rasc national office uh last week we had Chris Kerwin who is the
head of astronomy by the bay and an amazing Outreach person and tonight I have something really unique to share
with the GSP audience and I was very happy when Randall accepted my invitation to come in and David was
saying you know how amazing it is to have Randall here and I'm hoping that he will join us again periodically because
he is just a wealth of knowledge now Randall has been a part of the rasc for
a long time he had been a member of the Halifax Center in the Toronto Center I believe in the past but a while back he
actually became a unattached member and started working at the national level and
his his involvement and his exposure to all the centers is just skyrocketed and
I first met Randall a bunch of years back as the archivist for the rasc and
he was giving a talk on some of the history of the rasc at the 150th anniversary celebration uh when these
when the society turned 150 years old and Montreal just turned 100 years old and so he and I were having this
conversation about kind of the contextualization of the history in modern astronomy
and we continue those conversations at different times at this past GA he gave a talk about Mars observations over the
century plus and so he was pulling out journals and observational sketches of
Mars coming from I believe the late 1800s which was incredible and we've had
conversations about you know uh ancient astronomy and bringing in some of the Arab astronomy and and we've had all of
these discussions and in this position as archivists I just want to share with you this quote from one of the former
Rask presidents whatever Randall undertakes he does so with thoughtfulness thoroughness good humor
and modesty and Randall has run committees for us he's he's been part of
the risc and now he's taking on an even greater challenge he is starting the
Dorner telescope Museum to basically give away to share with the public the
history of telescopes and astronomy and Canada so Randall I'll turn it over to you
oh thanks Kareem and well thank you for the invitation I want to thank you for twisting Scott's arm to allow this and
Scott for being tolerant enough to to put off put up with me for a bit so what I'm going to do tonight
is introduce your audience to the dorno telescope museums Korean a set and to do
that I'm going to go to share screen and hope that I don't cause a power outage
oh look at that and I'm going to ask you when I finally
get this up and running can you actually see um yes oh good
Heavens it's working you might want to take him there you go perfect not remarkable so
Donald telescope Museum of the Royal Astronomical Society in Canada and it's logo is in the bottom in the bottom
there well it's not logos it's it's motto which is to tell the story of the
telescope in Canada people instruments and
it seems to be a squirrel there oh an Isaac Newton well we'll ignore
them marginal characters so that's a hysterical Rebel that was awesome the
origins the yeah it's one of these I think it's a computer bug the animal show if I ignore them they won't
encourage them Origins and GTM is short for
adornatoscope Museum so in the beginning oh sorry that's the wrong image let's
get rid of that Ah that's better so in the beginning in
the beginning as far as this goes is the spring of 2019 Mr Rudolph Dorner and there he is with one of his telescopes
he's a long time amateur with a love of visual observing and he found himself in
a circumstance when his mind turned a possible Legacy projects
he had an affinity for telescopes or I should rephrase that observing in telescopes were integral to
his well-being and happiness so why not turn that joy in these portals to the universe into something
more lasting to enrich others while Rudolph would provide funds to the
Rask to turn this aspiration into a reality
so the donors horoscope Museum it would be for the rest would be devoted to telling the story of the
telescope in Canada that's straight from his origins in the 17th century up to the present to the
instruments the makers and the users and that's us but that wasn't all this Museum would not starve its
telescopes of Starlight it would find ways to dissolve the glass standing between the viewer and the
people in the museum whenever possible allowing the viewers of the museum goers to be more than all Lookers of the
sleeping artifacts and the DTM would find for lost stories of Forgotten instruments makers and
users and uh I was so early 2019 when I get
this phone call um would I be interested in planning a telescope Museum
and and this is from was from someone in the Rask and I said sure why not and I
secretly said to myself I'm a fart bubble you know as if that's going to happen I get contacted the next day the donor
wants to meet me so obviously it seemed more serious at the time so sure I'll go along and and uh
and give us the give the fruits of my advice for whatever they're worth um
I carefully explained I met Rudolph definitely explained to him why I would I can't really explain them
why I would not be the person to you know get this off the ground to direct it and he didn't listen to any of my
advice so I ended up as a director so the nature of the daughter telescope
Museum the donut telescope Museum would concentrate on the Canadian story because much of that story is not well
known even the Canadian amateur telescope makers and historians of astronomy in Canada and of course it's
in Canada the emphasis would be squirrely on astronomical telescopes and Associated
equipment or Optics not necessarily intended for astronomical use but frequently put that use by amateurs
well the telescopes don't have to be of Canadian manufacturer to be included in the museum they merely have to have to have been
used by those the Canadian connections and Via that course the Canadian story
is not just a Canadian story it includes for instance Americans
Canadian amateur telescope makers have been involved with cellophane going way back and there's a case where um Russell W
Porter received advice when he started as a sales company from a Rask member in Toronto and before Porter was there's
Uncle John Brashear much beloved fantastic professional telescope makers late 19th century beginning the 20th
century he started out as an amateur he's the Millwright and became one of the top sales makers in the world and
he's a wonderful person if you're interested in him you can still guess his autobiography anyways he was an active member of the Rask made off he
had all often summer uh in a cottage in Ontario
and the founding president of the anti-telescope society thinks that the Brashear which was
bought for the Toronto telescope Museum actually is the one that John Bashir had
in his college I'm not sure about that but that's a cool story so to return to
this text the DTM would do both research in the telescope history and active education and public Outreach and I had
done it the best they go together so for the former projects that's the
research stuff maybe things like the experimental archeology of astronomy would be
conducted with the with either surviving equipment or close reproductions
and the histories gathered pursuing this would be published
as for the education public Outreach why it was it would be as simple as
taking some of the historical instruments or the reproductions and showing up at Star parties to allow
amateur astronomers today to in a way step back into the past and see what
Galileo would have seen looking through one of his telescopes or Isaac Newton or Christian Huygens or ashara Messier
which is sort of a cool thing and of course telling a good story is
going to be Central to all of the activities of the Toronto telescope Museum narrative rules
oh go up as David and Kareem could test it's quite common to find in Canada and while
as a Canada beavers like here holding Galileo Galilean telescopes I don't know if that happens in your countries
so artifacts oh they're back I say no mom we'll
ignore them they seem to be having a dispute so here's a few of the artifacts we have
and some of you may be wondering what is this doing in Toronto
this is belongs in Florence this is in Florence this is the well this is a copy now this
is a copy by a Quebec member of the Rask named real
manso who also has stealthian connections this is one of his this is his reproduction
of the display from the 17th century of two Galileo's telescopes
put into um it's almost like an equivalent astronomical equivalent of this of a
it's a secular osunary or a reliquary of Galileo it's done in 1677.
and in the middle there so on the right is a cracked lens and real has even reproduce the crack you can see in the
original Florence and that is reputed to be the lens from one of the telescopes
the Galileo used to do is epocal observations which he published since Darius nuncius in 1609 which is a
sort of a cool thing to have this is an iconic artifact the history of astronomy
and and Telescope making we're going to have this copy in our Museum well it isn't a museum
and that allows this is a telescope this is an artifact which is like a bridge it's a bridge back to Galileo in the
beginning of the astronomical telescope and it's a bridge to a modern Quebec Canadian amateur telescope maker that's
sort of cool very cool it's another one Isaac Newton you've all seen this you
all know what this is except this is not the one in the collections of the Royal Society in London
this is also a company by real and it's a very close copy of the surviving telescope by Isaac Newton
to speak more accurately it's the it's the earliest surviving instrument attributed to Newton it's actually his
third telescope and he did it in in cooperation with his friend wickens Wilkins I think is his
name and it probably dates from 1677 it's quite small
and it's it's got its objects and it sort of works which is very cool and two years ago Randall actually
brought that object to our rasc Montreal Center Library night and shared it to uh
so that everybody could take a look at it and actually come and see it and that's where that this Outreach idea of
having things in person and being able to see these instruments is just so
unique the instrument the old instruments well I'll give you an example of this golf script who cares
I'm doing that anyways think back to 2012 the last chances of Venus any of us are going to see
um there was an event at a large stadium in Toronto and the it was run by the
department of strong master physics is at the University of Toronto they had a bunch of modern telescopes they also had
they also had a late Georgian Gregorian reflector from about 1800. still has its
specular mirrors specular Optics the astonishing thing about that is that
the brass and speaking of a metal instrument had a longer lineup outside
it in the modern instruments because there's this sort of
um I don't know what to call it a charism an aura about these old these old portals onto the universe
and when they're associated with someone a famous name even more so um David eicher I think Super years back
published well both David eicher and David lever are involved with this uh Clyde Thomas 16-inch survives apparently
I've never looked through it I've never even been there I think it's in New Mexico I'm not sure um I should go back and read the article
David published um it's in working shape and it's there
for I believe amateur use and because it's associated with client talba it
gains in its stature as an object and that fact that you could even look through it is amazing
this could be said for the Leviathan the reconstruction to Leviathan or Parsons term I suppose
or Ross so what you got here on the screen in front of you is a Roland brochure grading so I
mentioned John beshear this is produced by his company 1895. and these gratings are amazing the physicist I think this
is John John Hopkins I'm not sure University uh Henry Roland is an amazing character and there's a I'm interested
in scientific portraits there's a portrait of Roland by I think Thomas eakins a great American Quarter a
great American artist of the 19th century and it's one of the best portraits of a scientist from that
period it's amazing the whole border of the portraits got scientific equations relevant to Roland's work and it shows
Roland there beautifully portrayed in the bat in the background is one of the ruling engines
invented and that that very carefully very precisely puts those those lines
into the substrate which breaks up refracts the lights to get the Spectrum and to have one to see one of these
things live as you change the angle in which you view it or you change the angle which the uh light
strikes the surface you get the Shivering effect it's really quite an amazing thing and this is one of The
Originals um okay so Uncle John gave us one of these
in 1899 at the end he came he came up to lecture at the Rask he surprised
Everyone by giving them one of these greetings well unfortunately perhaps in the 1920s
1930s the artifact developed legs and walked away if you're not careful this happens
we were going and we were given another grading and it the same thing happened to it now to quote Oscar Wilde uh to lose one
grading is a tragedy to lose two gradings it looks like carelessness
unfortunately thanks to Bart free to the anti-telical society we now have one replace the ones we lost which is this
one which I'm really grateful for finally they come to a modern artifact this is not a fact associated with two
people of the star party tonight Scott Roberts I believe had the brilliant idea of making these and David
leaving you can see there's this uh there's a signature there apparently these are really sharp instruments and I
am Overjoyed to be getting one of these for the museum but we're not just getting one of these for the museum I mean that would have
been fantastic because even though it's American made and the two principles American citizens
is still a strong Canadian connection because one of those American citizens started out up north David Levy
and I think David has foolishly otherwise offered to give us his actual
copy the David Levy comet hunter and that to me is really cool
wonderful it's actually brilliant design well I I don't know that is a collaboration between David and I so we
had thought about for a long time about what would make uh a perfect beginning
telescope that would take you beyond a beginner stage something that could be visual something could be used for deep
Sky planets and be used for astrophotography so that resulted in
that particular telescope a nice scar even the detail you've got two places to
put the finder so depending on what you're doing and that's just brilliant
anyways I won't go on about it and I like Max I don't know why would I you know I do
so I say the best for the last and it's this
when I gave the first formal lecture about the Toronto Museum
I was at Sunspot New Mexico at the solar Observatory there this is for the anti-task of society
um so I talked about the museum and one of the and I was talking about all the stuff we don't know of the history of
the telescope in Canada the instruments the occasions that were used the people who made them where they came from all
that stuff what survives what doesn't survive and I said well one of the main questions is what what when where and
what was the first telescope it's astronomy in Canada do we even know this
turns out it wasn't 1646 it was that early that's what four years after
Galileo dies it was done by a Jesuit so one of the ancestors of brother guy
the Vatican done by a Jesuit at Saint Marie among the herons he's observing a lunar eclipse and so
this is a this is a drawing I did a certain reconstruction of it um
and what I did is I put in the sort of telescope we might have used right so this is about 1650 and I gave it a
mounting the same sort of mounting that hevelius in the cylinder graphia of Uncle Jeff I think it's 1647. yeah you
know what I've had for his telescope but what I wanted was all right we know
about this is the first attested use of a telescope for astronomy in Canada brassani and father prasani was a Jesuit
did the observations he sent them to athanasius culture in Rome of the collegial Ramadan
kosher called it one of his modern biographers the last man to know everything well you shouldn't say that
sort of thing because there have been lots of polymaths in 17th century and even later but he was alerted man he
said he sent the letter from father prasani to um Giovanni riccioli who was a
publisher of a great astronomy textbook in the middle of the 17th century the uh Alma Justin novum
fantastic book Chris Greenie also the Vatican has written about it
and father riccioli reproduced these observations done by father person in
Canada and talked about their high quality and the high quality the reliable the
reliability of The Observers there we go
um well uh Pierre gasandi also reproduced
the observations in his in one of his Publications and what Cindy said was that father prasani in Canada used an
exceptional refractor this is 1646. it's quite early but what that means is
I hate to use this term so think of this in a colonial context not from a First
Nation standpoint but from a colonial context in the middle of nowhere in Canada or what would become Canada a
research quality in a 70th Century telescope is being used to harvest astronomical data
and astronomical quality data and that to me is amazing so I said I said to myself we've got to get a copy we've got
to get this instrument for the museum that's not going to happen because the instrument doesn't spot so I thought the next best thing is to get a full working
reconstruction made as close as we can because as what we think it was using
made using the techniques we know about we know word of good news at the time so um I asked Raja suraji only at the uh
Steward Observatory mirror lab he's one of the people who's worked on the giant Magellan telescope mirrors uh
and Roger has experimented in the 17th century Optical techniques you know Roger is it possible to have the lenses
made for this before I got very far Roger said yeah I've already made two sets of these and I like to donate one
to you I'm going to ask my friend Walter Stefani in Germany whether he donatia was said
so Roger contacted Walter Walter said yes not only will I donate the Optics
I'm going to make you the OTA and the stand according to 17th century models
using as close as possible 70th Century techniques would do you know as far as
we can no and I'm going to also involve a museum technologist Dr Arnett
Dr Ernie Payson the help we're not going to charge you anything for this you just pay for the materials and the shipping
and this is the thing I suppose I'm most excited about and it got me to thinking oh and here's
some pictures so that's the OTA it's finished it's fairly long as you can imagine it's a singlet
um it's a singular objective there it is taken apart and there's your close-up uh so Walter
did the OTA and this is the lens cells turned out of hardwood and there's one of the lens
elements there and that's sort of cool and this is the cell for the objective
it's in there but you you can't see it and what else we go ah here we go so
it's based on the left we've got the image from hevelius and sonographia which is we're using well which uh
Walter and RNA are you using that's this that's the blueprints that Walter came up with regarding the Jordan telescope
Museum copy and there's already in his Workshop in North Germany producing the
uh stand in the mount I'm really grateful to these guys for doing this this is incredible they can
take this thing the Montreal Center could take this to Star parties wherever so what I'm hoping and that's the end of
that so I'll get rid of share screen how do I do that oh stop share there you go so what I'm
hoping is to invite anyone listening to this who happens to be in the area so that's what the we
have a place for the museum it's uh in the cultural Hub of Toronto
it's in a renovated building renovated historic building which I really like
45 College Street so um when the museum opens you'll be welcome if you want a tour before then
that can probably be arranged and thank you for your time
all right that's awesome wonderful it's so exciting I can't wait for this
to be open and available and it's it's right in the heart of Toronto near the
university there where the Canadian Institute for theoretical astrophysics is and uh it's going to be incredible
it's um it's also very um it's a big honor that uh one of our
telescopes will actually be in that museum yeah it's good even said that's gone yeah that's wonderful that is
wonderful so um thank you for uh even considering that and uh uh I when I get back are you
kidding no there was no there was no question about the good heavens I'm
grateful lucky and can to have a museum and I can't believe we're getting it yeah it's it's it's wonderful it is of
course I gotta be I gotta be nice to David until it shows up
that's wonderful so uh the museum is open uh throughout the week or whatever
it's actually not it's not open yet we haven't even opened yet okay
oh I could be optimistic and say I would like to have it
I'd like to have enough of it open and running so that visitors can actually come by the time of the next Rask General
Assembly but I suspect that's going to be optimistic and I'd say maybe a year from
now okay but if anyone wants a tourist stuff that's easy enough to do you know a
tourist stop before then and the nice part is going to be making all of these
instruments accessible and telling the story of astronomy in Canada I should
ask there's one more thing um I'm probably taking up too much time but Rudolph didn't die which is really cool
I weren't observing with him at a star party at the beginning of October um he still had he saw he's he's still
battling um with the diseases he's contracted but he's still alive and kicking and using
his telescopes which uh I find very gratifying I don't want them to go away he's too much fun
right um the other thing I was going to mention you're going to put a plug in for one more another telescope museum is
a fantastic collection of antique telescopes at um in New Mexico it was run by John
Briggs something you made John may know John John's a lot of fun he's immensely
knowledgeable yeah he's a VIP for us okay so he's probably talked about the
lyceum in Magdalena right fantastic Dark Skies John only I mean John's got way more
stuff than we have John's got I don't know I mean John's like one of these you must he must have this internal Dynamo
when he goes to some place and all the telescopes in the city just suddenly attached to him I have a cricketer John
running off with a Palomar um John's got a bit he's got one of the
bits of Palomar that Russell W Porter sketched he's actually got the equipment
in his Museum and that to me is one of the coolest things I can think of well he's got he's
got stuff which has been important signally important for the growth of astrophysics uh in the in the states
and stories to go along with it so yeah so I don't want to talk about him this is cool
yeah one of the most incredible moments for me in terms of this uh instrumentation was actually getting to
be there when they uh when they restarted using the spectrahelioscope uh
at Stella oh yeah four years ago yeah such a brilliant so that's um George
already Hale and that's one of those amazing things that was co-invented by someone at the same time and I believe
there is no cross influence but they both came up with the idea of the spiritual healograph there's a French astrophysicist based at the asophysical
observatory Moodle which is also a wonderful place to visit if you can get in um they've got their original graph it's
been upgraded I believe in series it's upgraded throughout the decades yeah but Kareem is right
it's just they the one of the cellophane I think was built from one of the kits that was made early on I think it was in
California and they finally got it running Matt Constantine and some of the other guys there and it's really
in a way okay so it's impossible to really step back in time you cannot forget the Hubble images you've seen but
it's still worthwhile to try it's so worthwhile to try because I think to doing that experience is to
observing through the eyepieces they may have used through sitting where they made the observations to looking through the instruments
you can experience something this is I guess an emotional thing probably emotional you'd experience
something or tell yourself you experiencing something the original observers the other thing is you get a
hands-on experience so when you do talk about their achievements and astronomy they're
not making up stuff because you've had something of that experience but there's something else as a research part of
this it's a bit like experimental archeology you know it'll inform you of what it was
like just through trying to handle the equipment to make observations back then and that is a direct bearing on you're
interpreting the old observations absolutely I think Scott will remember
Connell Richards one of the youth members who presents he was talking about the Leviathan uh and going to see
that in person oh that's so cool Castle yeah I've not I've not been there
I'll tell you a story uh the engineer who directed the the the restoration of that
um I forget his first name was Michael I forget his name he was the original flute player in The Chieftains
it means this it means as well as being a top top not speaking of polymasters as well as being a top-notch uh engineer in
Ireland it's also virtuous of a traditional Irish fruit player and actually somebody I need to guess the
radio do it if you can and he's getting on now I I I I I I so as far as I still got all
those marbles he's a good friend of Sarah schechner who's a curator David with the curator of the Harvard
collection scientific instruments and uh her husband Ken Lonnie is an amazing uh
Ken Lonnie worked with uh Baker who did the baker nun camera okay you know I
should shut up I'm taking up too much time oh that's great it's very interesting I would like to add my
thanks to you Randall I really did enjoy that and I wanted to add that you were able
to speak Latin better than I can speak English
I was afraid you're going to raise that and look I didn't mean to I stubbed my toe and I just I just started swearing
it was Latin like I'm sorry about that um the cats ran away no I'll tell you
people's story so David mentioned the first time we met what he didn't tell you and this has probably happened to some of you is that
he's he's very good I'd hate to play Pokemon David I so we're on the plane
and he says to me with a straight face oh I forgot my camera he rumbles us around
what am I gonna do oh my God I'm here I'm saying beside this famous astronomer one minute I guess so I started to get
up you know I go hard to speak to a stewardess what am I gonna do and David pulls my
arm he said I'm just kidding that's what I remember from the first time we met
was this gentleman uh that was involved with the Leviathan restoration was his
name Richard Freeman I know um Michael um I just can't remember it but he's the
original flute player in uh in The Chieftains interesting I mean there are numerous
people restoration I half wish they decided to make
with all the problems I still have which they decided to make Cast a Giant Spectrum mirror just to see what it
would be like observing through that yeah and from what I understand they took they had seven mirrors for the
Lo-Fi you could do the circuit in circulation exactly they're being installed for just a short time maybe a
week or two okay because it's speculum and the the the the the mirror is
oxidizing as soon as they finish polishing it right and so they have to
take it back out re-polish you know to get to get a shine on it okay and let's
just put it this way it's gone aren't you glad you're selling reflectives now I'm not 150 years ago oh hard so hard
and then you look at guys like Christian hygiens who had the aerial refractors these refractors were I don't know 20 30
feet long or something some of them were 150 feet 210 feet long oh my God yeah
two Hawkins Brothers built them and that sort of eyepiece at the objective lens with the
actually the depth of field the depth of field was so great you could have three or four people
each holding an eyepiece looking through at the same time cool wow I'll say one thing remember though
like Christian Huggins and Cassini won so do you have any Batista Cassini made
those discoveries using those instruments yep and according to Roger sergioli the
refraction the good ones are the fraction Limited now there's a there's a planetary scientist David might know him
those neighbors might know him I don't know named um Alan binder uh he might be
in the Tucson area I'm not sure anyways so you retired yes cool he retired and
he made two of those medium medium focal length uh said mid 70th century
refractors and he observed the planets he observed um that's it that's it Carry Me got it
and and the restoration was by Michael turbidi yeah that's right okay and and
so Alum butter and double storm observations and I think even Alan was surprised
first of all the amount of detail you can see on the planets and also
uh the Double star separation how close you can actually observe these things
um and the other thing is uh a certain person of my acquaintance who shall not
be named was that a certain Museum in England which shall not be named is that with
his wife and there's only one guard on duty at the time and this Museum had one of
herschel's seven foot reflectors he posted his wife and that's the second floor guard wasn't around plus his wife
at the door and he put his hands on the instrument and started to play with it oh and what
he noticed what he found out is that now we look at those Herschel seven foot instruments they look ungainly they're
going to be a pain to try to get going in in Azimuth or all he found no
no stiction they stayed where you put them yep they were precise the action
was smooth after two over 200 years so the the I think the lesson here is
and this goes back to what I was talking to Scott about before we formally started that
interesting uh instrument on his desk a small instrument there where some people call a junk scope
except in Scott's hands it wasn't and his objects were good enough that it wasn't you can't judge the book by its cover
you actually got to use it people have done this with Charlotte Missy and most of the people who talk about well
Messier couldn't see the double cluster because Instagram wasn't good enough you probably couldn't see the dog he
probably didn't include it in his in his lists for other reasons
not the instrumental ones so you got to be careful in blaming the instrument the Herschel house is actually it's
accessible and uh one of the one of the Educators there Simon holbeck is one of
our panelists in rots oh nice often talks about the programs there and how amazing they are and like just being
able to give a talk in the room where you're incredible it's not us yeah and being able to go to the
workshop and see is that oh there's one of the the other thing with speculum of course is got this molten metal you're
pouring this in your in your garage in effect accidents can and did happen well
there was a famous One rehearsals where um the mold cracked and the hot molten
metal caves it came flowing out they had to run through the lives it cracked I mean you can you can go out there now
and see the cracks in the tiles I think it caused them to sort of explode and the cracks are still there so yeah
that's a cool place and they've got a reproduction a beautiful reproduction one of the seven foot reflectors
okay they were when they were molding those or pouring that metal do you think they ever thought about spin casting
the metal like we do today you know Jerry that's a great question I have
found I found references there are I don't know if they go back to the 18th century but there are I believe 19th century
speculations but because people you know people saw a Mercury behaved in that situation you
know Mercury on a turntable and there's some Modern telescopes they experimented with that with and they're
so I think because I think at least back the 19th century the idea at least the German the idea we should try spin
casting would give us the general shape we want so yeah yeah absolutely
great very wonderful Randall thank you so much oh my pleasure thank you for putting up with me
um welcome to come back on to Global star party at any time we run this program it's good here to say that thank
you very much great I might not be able to stay very long I've got to do some medical stuff
but you know whatever sure happens when you get old well thank you again
thanks very much thank you that was awesome thank you Kareem for suggesting
uh Mr rosenfell for coming on to our program it was my pleasure and
um we have had a little bit of change up in the schedule um and uh it appears that deep t uh may
have run into some internet problems and so uh you know she comes on later in the
program then we can have her on but uh for now we'll take like a 10 minute break uh we will uh have Jerry Hubble
from the markslade remote Observatory come on um and then we've got
um Carol orge from the astronomical League who will be talking about the
75th uh astronomical League anniversary so be back in 10
we'll be right back
and by the way I just want to mention I was looking at Michael turbidi and he was the director of Rob Roy the movie
I had no idea is that the same thing is it the same guy same guy he was the
chief flutist for The Chieftains he was a director of three movies including Rob Roy and he was an amateur an amateur
astronomer an engineer who decided to restore the Leviathan and the Burke
Castle facilities yeah you're better informed than I am what I do know is he does travel to the states
oh and he's and he stays in Boston um when he goes
good having a tastic you read about these people and you think well in in one field it would be
enough for a lifetime they can do all this stuff just astonishing it is but they're also I mean it it
showcases this need for balance I mean you look at the herschel's and you see that in terms of their musical passion
plus their astronomy and that need for balance is there for a lot of
individuals and especially those of us who take on astronomy as a hobby as well
um it's a part of you and it it it overlaps into the rest of your life so
all of your passions every like um my daughter's been dabbling in art
but every now and then she'll sit there and she'll do art of space because that's you know get off her mind yeah
yeah I mean even even Paul Dirac British
theorist who was um he was apparently one of the most
single-minded people um people who knew him ever met
um but it turns out some Modern body was found out that particularly when he relaxed he ended up teaching in Florida
after I think it was at Cambridge and at that time um he's not he didn't do it before it
turned out that he liked movies and some of them were quite silly but no one would ever have guessed
even a character like that it was sort of the sort of balance
I'm just picturing Potter out now uh the talkies watching some of those those
wonderful ones when when music first started to be played in the theater at the same time as the image was being
shown before we actually figured out how to combine everything together in one yes
my computer is still capable of uncombining them
so what do the kids have for supper uh I I I will I will admit to uh to Falling
a little bit uh behind on that and I've I've left them to their own devices they
were they were both they were both busy like working in their in their rooms and my daughter actually has stepped up to
uh to help lead a girl stem Club that's starting tomorrow and so uh one of our
one of our Outreach colleagues Diana Phillips who is one of the NASA
Educators who's here in Canada and in the Montreal area she runs these
programs and so she was looking for new volunteers because a lot of the previous volunteers are now University grad
students and they're kind of off on their own and Tara stepped up and she said you know I'd love to do this and so
today was her preparation day for tomorrow oh excellent yeah so she was like I
don't want to talk about any of this right now I need to do this and I said all right all right you know I'll figure out dinner when I finish at nine and so
you figure out dinner whenever you're done they're both teenagers now so I don't have to worry about them quite as much
which is good oh good we have a we have a lot of awesome uh
our regulars uh in the comments which is great uh one of the nice things about the gsps is there's now this this
this group in the audience that all know each other they all see each other online and so the chat is just so robust
and so fun uh to to be involved in so even when I'm not on I'm sitting there in the chat saying hi to Norm and hi to
hi to Harold and Beatrice and and book and all of them and and so it's lovely
during these breaks to just see their their messages popping up oh that's really great well I mean Scott has made
a community happen in fact uh this idea you can't take credit for
it really I mean it is it is a the Confluence of the presenters the
um the audience often the audience uh uh you know gets
um you know inspired to be on global star party which we invite and so it's
great I I love the seeing people from all over the world uh you know popping
on for the first time uh you know and checking it out um we had uh uh someone you know
Beatrice is in uh Belgium uh we've got people in Europe we've got uh you know
in in nothing Belgium is not in Europe we've got uh uh people that pop in from
China um uh the Philippines um you know it's just it's just
wonderful and the thing is so cool about the technology that we have with zoom
and broadcasting software and everything I can sit here here on my desktop you
know and conduct a meeting with members all over the world in simulcast it
essentially for I mean very little cost you know so it it does require
dedication to do it um but uh oh yeah Gary albinson about me
here in North Cuba did you see Norm was asking us to start singing so that YouTube shuts us down right away they'll
be like no copyright you can't sing that song that's true we have had uh presentations
blocked from time to time but uh no good heavens we usually do fight it one of the things that is
um a kind of a tragedy I think is uh uh
sometimes NASA produced product you know the bull images in the moon uh these
kinds of things are claimed as copyright by private companies you know that you
know that they maybe use the NASA segment in one of their television you've paid for it everyone everyone in
your country's paid for those though that's right that's right that's crazy you know uh Chris Kirby was talking
about this because he was his Facebook shows were constantly getting uh pushed
for copyright by different individuals for no reason like it was just you know they would constantly claim copyright
and so he moved over to YouTube for a little bit less of that sort of a problem um because he doesn't have any
proprietary music or anything he just shares the images that he takes of the night sky and people are like nope
that's a moon that's mine I know that's the sun that's mine
yeah so I think that there is uh some some there may be some companies that
put out content you know just claim copyrights just so that they can use it
maybe as an asset maybe an intangible asset for their company I have no idea but you know it's
it is uh it's frustrating at times yeah
sometimes like that you'd wish um that that total prospective Vortex the
Douglas Adams invented yes in The Hitchhiker's Guide the perfect so these people get some sense of perspective
yes that's right perspective is a rare commodity
it is it is something though that uh astronomy does does give you uh when
once you're involved in it and you can start to understand the uh distance
relationships and uh the the sizes of things and you know it more than once
I've taken people out observing and they get the feeling that they are insignificantly small you know and uh so
I I find that that aspect of them being humbled you
know is is actually very important and uh so I tell them look yeah yeah physically
we're incredibly small uh but your mind
is as vast of the of the universes you can perceive you know so
well I think it's interesting that as a sense of scale we're we're practically
halfway between the smallest and the largest which yeah you know and and that's a
that's a weird kind of centrism you know I guess yeah yes you know
we're in the center because we're right to the correct size
It's All About Us maybe our size maybe our just our
condition has led us to believe that uh you know that you know in this centrism
view that we are often Afflicted with you know
yeah it's also the case that there's a limit to our scene right to the microscopic world we can get down to the
electron clouds around an atom and the the reaction from the nucleus when you can find ways to probe it but that's as
far as we can actually measure and so when you get down to that scale we
believe that nothing smaller but we used to believe that about you know molecules so yes as we dive further and further in
uh Gary's mentioning the Voyager photo which is you know absolutely one of the
and and Carl Sagan his voice over top of that photo is always in the back of my
mind yes right well it's interesting you're bringing up Carl Sagan because the next
Global star party next Tuesday November 9th is his birthday and so nice Global
star party theme is going to be The Inspirations of Sagan oh wow yeah so
that and I think that everybody that uh has been on global star party has been inspired by him some way or another so
but uh great so uh Jerry I'm going to
um uh uh have you uh join us uh for uh
for a presentation from the markzlade remote Observatory um Jerry Hubble has done more uh
broadcasting events with me than I think anyone else we're coming up on at least
200 programs uh together and so he is a
um uh you know inspiration to me because of not only because of his knowledge but
uh his willingness to put himself out there to share what he knows and to get
other people inspired his his uh Focus often is science but uh you know he has
uh he has engaged people in all different levels in amateur astronomy and he's also engaged people in
professional astronomy as well with his Pro-Am collaborations and stuff that he gets involved with so Jerry I'm going to
turn this over to you man thanks Scott I appreciate that um
and this is for those that may not know I imagine a lot of people know this is my second career my first career was in
nuclear energy nuclear power plant uh instrumentation so I've I've been a long time
into technology and and electronics and and the sky basically so all that stuff
came together for me um about six seven about eight years ago
nine years ago now uh with Scott and I appreciate the opportunities Scott gave me to
to further my work uh with him and the systems that we work on every day
so and the mark Slade remote Observatory is an example of that work that I've been
able to do over the last few years along with others Dr Myron vasuda
is a significant contributor along with me so I'm gonna I'm gonna
share typically so today's theme is is uh worlds right
so I'm going to be I'm going to be showing some small worlds some minor planets and how we use the observatory
to track them down and photograph and measure their positions so I've done
this a couple other times on on different programs but I think it's good for people to understand what's involved
in the technology that we had to do that today and uh so I'm gonna share the
observatory uh this is the observatory desktop
can you see that yes now it looks pretty busy because I've got a bunch of little
windows up and this is I use Maxim DL and that's what these windows are that are here
to do different things so currently I Imaging uh the minor planet
uh limousine I guess that's how you pronounce it nemacine
uh I don't know if you can see that it's pretty pretty tiny text there um that's a great a Greek name
but that that minor planet or asteroid is located
is currently a 12th magnitude object in the sky and uh
I I use uh the minor planet centers database to look up currently there's nearly a million
minor planets and the minor planet centers data catalog that have had orbits calculated so
American they're they're keeping track of a lot of a lot of objects you know
and uh and then there's Millions more that are out there that have been maybe
observed and photographed they're very faint so but this one's a 12th magnitude object
and uh let me so I I pointed I pointed the
telescope to where the predicted position of that object is based on the star chart okay
and and then I take an image let me go ahead and take another image these are I'm just taking
30 second images right now and
and you'll see it'll come up it it's it pretty much this field right here that I'm showing here but I want to take a
fresh image so we can do it uh fresh measurement of its position because asteroids minor planets are moving all
the time because they're solar system objects right so they're in orbit around the sun
out in between Mars and Jupiter this this in fact I can show you where this uh
uh object is right now so you see that
this is a website uh provided by NASA JPL that lets you
plot the orbits of minor planets and also give you there's a small small body
uh database look up for this uh asteroid there's the name right there
nemesan um and I guess this is the previous
designation uh so there's some detailed numbers
about the object this this object is uh
measured to be around 112 113 kilometers in diameter it's probably not a perfect
sphere of course but here's the orbital view of where this object is and it and it's currently
right here in the sky here's earth right here okay so and then Venus is over here but this
is where it's located in in the orbital View
and there's there's Jupiter right here can you see that and then right so this
is where um
the asteroid is so that gives you an idea of what we're looking at
and so there's there's a new picture that I just took okay okay now
I've positioned this object close I mean I I did a plate solve previously and and re and re uh adjusted
the telescope to match to uh be calibrated to the sky so that's what a plate solve does for you when you do a
sink on the telescope so I'm going to go ahead and process this images do another plate solve okay
and it calculates the center of the plate
um I'm not going to adjust it I'm just gonna leave that
solved there and then I can go and uh if you look at this
through this information window when I move the cursor around I've got this aperture
circles that I can Center on objects and it'll tell you like this this right here
as a catalog star you can see here it says catalog star
um it gives the coordinates of the catalog position and then it's got the image position you can see it's pretty darn close
to the same numbers um within 0.2 Arc seconds so that's how
even with a backyard telescope and and set up correctly you can do very precise
astrometric measurements with this device so that's very important when you do an asteroid
position measurement so you got a time stamp and a position for that time and that's where what you need to be very
precise to calculate the orbit the nemesan so I've got a coordinate right here for
nemesan okay and these are j20004 and that's that's what the plate solve does
so this is 21 hours 39 minutes 51 seconds
I think this this is it right here let me blink on that or click on it
so the position of nemesan according to the catalog is 21 39 51 for right
Ascension uh uh that's not it
says a catalog star hmm
so where'd you go we went there I think it's right here
so I just did a plate solve and readjusted I didn't think the scope so there's where there's the asteroid there
I believe so it's because it doesn't come it's a bright object first of all see these other broad objects have
catalog numbers see that pop up as a catalog star this object is not
okay it doesn't have a catalog number and if you look at the right Ascension it's 21 39 51
which is pretty much what the cat the uh star chart position is and then the
right the declination is -3 29 54.
now and this is pretty interesting so 29.54 so the catalog position
is not quite right it's a little bit off a few seconds in declination so one
thing we can also do is compare it to um
the ucac catalog directly with a program I use called astrometrica so I believe
that's the object right there okay so you can see it's off the center a little bit
what I want to do is I'm going to fi I'm going to save this image
um as number three
okay let's save that and then I'm going to pull up the
astrometrica which is an awesome program it's been around for a long time and I'm gonna I'm gonna load up that image we
just took
nemesan
so there it is so I just loaded the image it's been a it's been a read the uh time and date of the image of the fits
header I can show you that a little bit what the fits header looks like
and then I'm going to go ahead and do a plate solve with astrometrica
on this and it it's got a position
of uh that the scope or the mounts that it was what that's in
the fits header it says okay I'm I'm pointing it this direction this is where the approximate center of the plate is
so it's going to say use that as a starting point for the calculation for this plate Center
so then it solved it okay and uh those numbers might be too small to read but
we're within 0.1 Arc second
uh in terms of the Precision of the fit okay that means the error across the
whole plate any position errors within 0.1 Arc second which is really great from the catalog values so now
uh I know this this object's near the center okay so I'm going to zoom up a
little bit get in the center of the of the uh plate around this area and
then I'm gonna use this tool called known object or overlay so previously I updated a
catalog of of uh asteroids from the minor planet center so it should identify
um a minor planet I think this is it right here I don't know if you can see that red
there's a little bit of red text in a box okay right here all right
and so this box is a little bit below where
the actual image is so that so this this kind of demonstrates the importance of doing these measurements okay
so even though the catalog value calculates the orbit and says this is where the position should be where this
box is at I'm just kind of outlying you may not be able to see it on your screen but that's where the box is
but that but the asteroid is Right Above It if the calculation was 100 correct then
it would show it would draw the Box around the object but it's not quite there so that tells
you that it's the calculated position is not quite correct based on my image
uh and so you you basically would submit this measurement to the minor planet center
and I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and uh I'm not going to do that now but I'm
going to see what object it finds that's that's the object right there
it's within 0.1 and 0.3 Arc seconds okay
is the position of the object uh
and it's it's uh magnitude is it's it's calculated magnitude is 12.3
um let's see what the uh I don't know if it pissed me didn't
really tell me the calculated magnitude uh so
that's how you do that so that's how we determine that that's actually the the asteroid now
I've got it I'm going to break off here and go to the next speaker but when I
come back what we'll do is we'll take another picture um of this object and we'll hopefully
I'll be able to show you how it's moved in the intermediate time that would be kind of cool so that you can see that it
yes it is the asteroid it's moving and [Music] um
and we'll demonstrate that so great back to you Scott thank you
very much Jerry it's you know it's so cool to see science being done live
all over the world so well I'm yep measurements are cool I've just been
into measurements for a long time very awesome we had a a couple of
comments here uh just before I go to the next speaker um you know you know I'll split these
comments up uh comments up uh when you come back but um uh Josh Kovac
um made a comment he said Jerry I'm curious if you have any input on how I'm putting together and annotating my
photographic observations and if it's useful for scientific submission has he sent you uh
work to review what's his name again I'm sorry uh Josh Kovac k-o-v-a no no I
don't know that I've gotten any images from Josh I don't think so I don't recall anything but one of the important
things about taking images and when you get into it you'll take hundreds or thousands or ten thousands of in you
know hundreds of thousands of images eventually you know so you got to come up with a good scheme to name your files
uh and it's important uh to organize your files and directories I the way we
do it at the Mark Slater remote Observatory is we have directories we have a master astrophoto
directory and we have and then we have the telescope that we're taking it with as a directory and then underneath that
we have the date so we have we have we create folders on every session we create a date folder
and it's the starting date of the session is what we use and then underneath that uh when you when you
different programs when you save files you can you can add different information to the file name not just
the object name like uh like nemesan like this one I named it 57 nemesan
which is the asteroid number but also you can have information such as the exposure time
uh the um uh you know in the Dayton time stamp is
always on there too so and in the fits header that's one thing I didn't show you real quick because the fits header
I'll show you that when we come back what kind of information is in the fits header but get an organized to keep
track of all those files and all those images it's good to have good file name system and directory system to do that
right okay well uh up next is uh Carol orange president of the astronomical
league and he's going to talk a little bit about the 75th Anniversary event
thanks again Scotty and Jerry uh thanks for the interesting uh presentation you
just gave I learned a lot there uh I always do it these uh events
lots of familiar faces but some new ones as well when we are beginning to talk about
celebrating our 75th anniversary of the astronomical League I was uh as I was
listening to the talks tonight from our Canadian friends uh
concerning getting younger people involved they were specifically talking about college age students involved in
astronomy in an active role it made me think and I'm going to get my screen up
here
go down to the very last one right there there we go
foreign it's interesting as we were doing the
research for our 75th year we realized that maybe 30 years ago 30
or 40 years ago there were a ton of Youth involved in astronomy and
specifically from our point of Interest what the astronomical leap there were a good deal
of Youth clubs sub clubs within the main clubs scattered across the country and
in many cases they were in leadership roles they're just amazing to uncover
that information and I know all groups now are trying to appeal to Youth and and roughly so because that's all of our
future uh when uh to take our places we go further
but it was very incredible uh again uh we're seeing positive signs and
Scots operations have been a big part of that as far as making those opportunities
available for people around the country and the world can watch uh astronomical
type events during the covet and that's a big part of why interest is coming
back in astronomy but it'll be a different interest as far as the youth and I think we're already
seeing that it's not uh what we saw 30 years ago it's a different time I mean
we've got to adapt as organizations in order to make room for the Youth and let
them protect their place our featured speaker
for astronomical live on the 15th which is uh uh talking mainly about the 75th
Anniversary will be Alan Dyer he's been on this uh channel before I believe a
couple times at least and his talk will be on how to photograph the lunar eclipse
and it's going to be 97 total of one upcoming November 18th and 19th
in addition to that we're going to have uh special guest appearances from Stella uh Kafka from aavso still has been on
here as well Richard smutey from Alpo will be there and we'll have a representative by VA and other people as
well and uh David Levy uh and of course Scott makes it all work he will be here
as well Chuck Allen uh vice president of the league Terry Mann uh secretary and
also a great part of making this successful uh our collaboration with GSP
and myself but I hope everyone will tune in for that
and I'm just skimming the top of what we have really uh found out during our
research for the 75th year there will be a multitude of speakers uh it's been really a fascinating
experience and we've revived some interests uh in membership uh as we've
reached out to the 10 distinct clubs that were original members of The League
back 75 years ago when they came together and formed it and
in many cases some of those clubs have been real active in the league in recent years however uh during these past few
months several those have come back and said we want to be more active uh
because at one point we were active in the league and we see lots of opportunities to really uh greet some
interests and help us with the youth movement as well so and with that I think I'll turn it back
to you Scott and hope you'll join us on the 15th of November that's at uh six
o'clock I believe I think seven o'clock seven o'clock Eastern six o'clock standard and so hopefully we'll see you
all then back to you Scott thank you very much Carol thank you
um okay so uh we'll switch back over to uh Jerry Hubble who's uh finishing up uh
his observation of I forget which asteroid it is it's nemesan neemason and I'll show you
how we'll we'll flew over to another asteroid real quick and and we'll take an image and measure it also I'll show
you how we can go from one to the next pretty quickly so let me let me share this so I want to
show you first I want to show you the uh Fitz header and what kind of information is uh can
you see my screen now um so
on Maxim DL for any image you can can show
the detailed information I'm hoping this will show up big enough for you to see this I can't really control the size of
the text on the program um so you see these these parameters
here like this is this one is a date of observation okay
can you read that Scott or is it too small it's pretty small maybe you could read it yeah let me let me do something here
let me let me let me uh I'm gonna I'm gonna try something here
real quick I'm gonna start up Notepad
and I'm just going to cut and paste and make the text Big so you can see this stuff
[Music] Poppy
paste all right there we go is that better
yes all right so this is the fits header and it showed you a lot of good information
like for example this is a date of observation
and uh the nice thing is that it goes down to the millisecond level
which is kind of cool uh and what that time is that's that's
the center time of the exposure so if you're doing a 60 second exposure it's going to be the center time
of that exposure um oh I lied
you can select you can select the center time but this is the this is the exposure start time
so if you want to do the measurement when you do the measurement for the asteroid position
it calculates for astrometrica you tell it what what the exposure of time is and you tell it it's the start time then it
calculates the center time because that's the measurement position is the center of the exposure
so that's important to understand and then and then uh you've got other
information that gets um developed one of the things is also it does it
does measurements uh of the image it tells you what the
meaningful width at half maximum of the image star of the of the basically the average or the mean value across all the
stars and it's that that's a good indication of how well focused it is
um so those are the there's a lot of other information you can see that's in here uh you'll learn about that if if you get
into the science Imaging you'll you'll learn to store images and it fits file format which includes this Header
information and you'll get into what those things mean um so I just want to introduce that to
people that's part of the image and um
so let's go ahead and take another picture uh let's let's let's do something real
quick let me uh not all new let's save I'm gonna
um go to astrometrica and I'm gonna
take this I believe this I think this is the measured
um see this information here
uh this is the measured position and also the measured magnitude of the image
of the star of the asteroid actually and I'm trying to see how I can
and this is the time and date so I'm going to accept this
um all right actually I think I've got to do this
first I've got to select the object and then accept it okay
I'll make a note this is um it doesn't see here
there's a way to select the note on the image okay when you report it but I'm not going to select it I'm going to
accept that and then I'm going to go here I'm open I can find this quickly
um
I've got my log file I've got my uh the report file here it is okay
this is an example report file and
here is the data
that right that's not it up top here maybe
there it is at the top not the bottom so so this is the fits header file
this is not the fits header this is a recording of the data that I've taken over a certain amount of time okay so
okay uh this is an older file that it got added to so this is the measurement I
just took right here all right so I'm gonna I'm gonna copy this
and I'm going to put it in this notepad so we can so we can compare it to the
next measurement I do when we do so when we take a new measurement we'll uh
we'll do a calculation movement doing it you know we'll take an image a new image we'll do a measurement and then we'll
compare to this and then we'll we should be able to see how the asteroid has moved okay that's what I'm trying to
demonstrate here how the how the asteroids move so the coordinates should change okay
the ra and the declination so let's um
let me minimize that and that and then we'll take another image so
uh I'm going to start and it'll take about 30 seconds and so
over time I don't know how long it's been it's probably been what 20 minutes 25 20 minutes probably since we took the
last image um and we'll be able to see exactly how
long the difference in time is once we take it and do a measurement um
so the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to do a plate solve and I'm going to identify should we have this we see this asterism
here it's going to be near this position all right so there it is right there
let's see I believe that is the
I've got to do a plate saw first or to show me the information for that
object all right I did that so there's the information
right there okay and I know that's the asteroid so now
I'm going to save this into my
is number four now I'm doing a manually I'm manually doing these taking these
pictures and saving them but maximum allows you to set up a schedule to take a series of photos over several
hours if you want and it it you can set the name up and everything in the suffix and a prefix
and all that stuff um to save a series of images that you
can do uh a Time sequence for light curve photometric measurements or for position
measurements you'll be able to do that um
so let me close this I'm going to load this new image
number four that we just took and again it
reads the fits header and says this is when the EXP it says mid exposure time right there can you see that it says
time mid exposure so it calculates the mid exposure because it knows how long the exposure was and it knows when the
start time is so that's what it does uh the next thing I'm going to do is I'm
going to do um do a plate solve on this I'm going to say okay
and uh that's pretty interesting so now uh I guess I've got to close that
one let me do that I'm going to close the other one so it only comes up with the one
I gotta close this
I'm going to try that again
all right so let's solved it so here's the center of the plate thereabouts
uh right here so you see these green circles I'm going to zoom up
so I don't know how how good you can see the green but any catalog stars have
green circles drawn around them okay
and then I believe this is the asteroid right here a little bit
right here uh is what I think is the asteroid right here
uh so let's do a known object overlay
and yep there it is and you can see you can see this projected position is still
away from the actual position according to my my image
so there's the uh there it is so I'm going to say okay tell me what it is it's going to come up and
say yep it's identified it it's uh and the measurement Precision is still the
same say okay I'm going to accept it now I've added another line to that
report file um so let's view the uh report file
and so now these are the two different measurements right here okay I'm going to copy both
of those and go back to our thing and I'm gonna
I'm going to paste it on here Ctrl V now
now this is very interesting
here's a Time okay 11. that was the first one and it's the
second one you can see there's a little bit of time in between this is in days so that's decimal Bay
here's the right Ascension on the first measurement here's the right Ascension of the second
measurement all right you can see it's different
here's the right Ascension of the declination of the first measurement there's a declination of the second
measurement okay see there's four and moved four Arc seconds in declination
over that 20 minute period so
even as slow as these asteroids are moving you can detect it over just a few minute period uh the change in position
with a backyard telescope which which is pretty amazing the Precision that you
get with these measurements um so
the last thing I want to show you is uh I'll show you how we can move quickly to
another asteroid okay so let's go back to our star chart now I'm going to pick out one I'm just
going to pick up uh one that's near here so
uh this one that Benjamin oh not that oh yeah this
one here I don't know why it doesn't pop up there it is 976 benjamina
okay so all I have to do is right click on it
uh it gives me information but I can Center it in the Target so the red shows
the target we're over here on 57 right now so I'm going to move over to this other asteroid now it's a dimmer
asteroid it's going to be it's 15th magnitude I believe so I'm gonna uh I'm gonna slew to that
object so watch the chart we'll show the telescope moving a little bit
all right now it's uh
let's let me turn track the telescope so there it is right there let me go zoom
up a little bit more okay
and now uh what let's see it says 15th magnitude so it's going to look dimmer
okay so now let's let's take a quick picture
I'm going to zoom out a little bit
and then we'll identify this this asteroid
now it makes it easy when you can do a plate solve and and know exactly where your telescope's pointing to Center an
object now you know that that object's going to be close to this Crosshair right it's going to be
very close to the center of the image once it's loaded here
so there's there's the new image okay
move this over a little bit all right so it's somewhere in there
we don't have no any idea right now so we have to do a plate solve first
uh to calibrate the frame for astrometric position
but once we do that then we can start uh
kind of looking around to see which object so if you see see on this information window here if I move over a
star it tells you the catalog star will show up as information so it'll it knows that's a star it's not the asteroid
uh and we know this is going to be a dim asteroid right so that's a catalog star
that's a catalog star that's catalog star okay
so now we know that's catalog star now look here there's an object here that's not a
catalog star so let me zoom up on this oh look there
there's two objects there isn't that interesting now I had no idea about benjamina I'm
not going to say this is a a twin asteroid or or one asteroid it's probably just a
coincident that there's a star next to it but again um when I'm on this position it doesn't
identify as a star so I'm really curious about this
um uh so let's look at this position okay
uh so it says it's well 2151 13 okay and 21
uh so that's not even it that's just a Bim that's just a dim star or a pair of
dim stars because the j2000 coordinate for this asteroid
is 2151 41. so I'm not anywhere near that that's 21
51 13. so I need to zoom out and move my cursor
uh around so you can see how it updates the cursor position
so I want to be near 2151
um what is it 2151 41 so that's going to be over here somewhere
all right so there's there's 41 right there is this 35104 for declination 352
29 so I'm not anywhere near so let's see
so you're looking at the predicted position I'm looking at the predicted position bait and and the and then
looking forward on the chart right and you're curious updating ra and deck As
you move over objects right so now so that you can hunt and Peck and look for this thing for a while right you can see
how I've got to look around and see where it is now um
I think what the problem is now is I took the picture we slew to the object I took the picture I assumed it was near
the center but that may not be the case okay so now one thing I can do to really cheat is to
save this image okay and I'm going to name it the
976 benjamina
I don't know if that's pronounced right that's what it looks like
benjamina all right one
I'm Gonna Save that and I'm going to load it up in astrometrica and let astrometrical tell me
which ones which okay then I'm going to close this image
file load images this is this is what's good about these tools that we have today I mean they really help you
they really help you a lot and understanding this stuff and also identifying things
because you know if you're trying to do it manually you can get frustrated and
because you don't even know if your telescope's pointing at the right position early on when I was doing this
I couldn't even get a an asteroid that I was looking for on the on the image at all it took me a while to figure that
out when I first started and then I discovered plate solving which is you know this was 10 years ago
or 12 years ago actually it's not it wasn't as widespread as it is today
so now I'm gonna uh I'm gonna go ahead and do a plate solve
and it did dissolve which is great look how accurate that is 0.08 Arc seconds 0.09 Arc second Precision that's amazing
Jesus now I'm going to zoom up a little bit
then I'm gonna I'm gonna use the known object overlay to see if it can identify
uh benjamina so let me zoom out I don't see it on there oh let's see we've got a
couple asteroids here uh this might be it here
I'm going to move this out of the way so I can move it in the center a little bit
uh 19 this is 9 47. I can't see what
976 benjamina that's the file name
um 51 54 409 I don't think that's it
um sure does
that looks close to the uh let's let's uh
it's really not very bright I might have to take a
not it but there's a there's supposed to be an object there but it's very dim so I'm
going to say um I'm gonna see what objects are in this
location see what it is
it says I'm eight eight arc minutes off
three arc minutes off so that's not near there so let me let me cancel
it's I wish I could read this red text a
little better it's hard to read
nothing there maybe this is it here
let's see um see what's here
oh that's it found it so that's what a
that's a measured uh 15.4 15.2 magnitude is the measured value and it's the
catalog value or the current value should be 15.4 so that's pretty good so this position again
let me cancel this you can see
down here let me let me get it in the center you can see the calculated position that
box the red box there is a little bit below where the measured position is
okay that's kind of interesting uh so I'm going to go ahead and accept
that uh
and accept it and it'll store it in that file and I'm going to load it up and we'll
look at the position and we'll compare it to um the
I labeled it wrong let's see
oh why didn't they go there
I got the wrong file and PC report file
well maybe I didn't save it let me do this again so
bear with me all right so I'm gonna identify that guy again
okay except all right so you can see it's got the
purple identifier and it's got the red box so now
should be in this file now like it was previously
but I don't see it I wonder why that is
oh I know why because it it actually puts these in order
and this is 976 .
let's see where's that
oh not showing up nope there it is
there it is right there oh come on
I did two measurements that are basically the same so I'm going to copy this one
what was that
this is benjamina coordinates and
so it says that it should be a 21 a predicted position 21 51 41
which is pretty close and it's minus 352
29 it's right on the money pretty much
so that's that that's how you uh go from one asteroid
to the other and do another measurement and by hand and you can automate this uh
so you said there were other questions maybe a couple other questions that were from before yeah let's see so
I'm taking up too much time it was very interesting
um well one question one one comment
um that Josh made he says I feel like the barrier to entry submitting to the minor
planet centers very high I read through like 10 different pages and I still have no idea how to actually
do it I did recommend to Josh that uh he gets training from msro science
and you know it really Josh it's just like anything in in this amateur
astronomy hobby if you if you have someone that knows nothing about a telescope and you just leave them alone
with it they might be able to do some things with that telescope uh and then
find things by accident but there's nothing like having somebody uh take you under their wing showing you step by
step how to find galaxies deep Sky objects this kind of thing most amateur
astronomers have had this kind of breakthrough um experience before by having a mentor
you know and so uh that is one of the things that the msro science program
does is they have this kind of mentorship and they can get you observing uh uh and recording data and
submitting data like a pro and so now I was I was kind of free forming it right I was off talking off the cuff but
there's procedures behind that that you learn so to get there's a couple things you have to go through to be able to
report to the minor planet center one is to get your location certified as an official location
and where your observatory's at where are you going to take your measurements because it's very very important that
they know exactly what precisely what the location on the air is where you take the measurement from to do the
orbital calculations so there's a process to go through that and part of it is what I've demonstrated tonight you
just go do there's a series of measurements you take over a few week period with several different minor
planets you submit that data they look at it and see what the quality of your measurements are
and then they and then if they're satisfied they'll assign you an observatory code and then once you do
that uh then you can submit uh measurements to them and I've gone
through that process twice one with my home location here at the end of my driveway actually
is my and that's that's minor that's uh my Observatory code I24 if you look it
up India 24 and then the mark Slater remote Observatory is that is is
identified as whiskey 54. as the location uh as the uh Observatory
so you have to go through that process if you're interested in getting yourself location certified and then and then you
can take measurements and then but you've got to learn how to take the measurements first and there's a procedure to that it's not it's not
Magic uh most people can do it if they're into astrophotography your your gear that you
have set up for doing pretty pictures will do the work you don't have to do anything different
typically scientific Imaging and measurements are are actually easier than doing beautiful pictures
because you can deal with bad seeing you can deal with somewhat smeared Stars you know not
perfectly round Stars with scientific measurements um you know depending on what the
Precision is that you're trying to get but overall science Imaging is pretty easy to get
into it's just learning learning the techniques and the technology behind it that are available to everybody right
I've put into the chat uh how to contact Mark Slade remote Observatory and uh and
you can get started there it is it's not the only way to go but I will tell you it's a tried and true thing and they've had students from all over the world
sign up for it and they are contributing to science so from there uh they'll open the door that
opens the doors to all kinds of Pro-Am collaborations that you can do or or you
can just be a regular contributor uh to like the minor planet center for example you know so that's great
okay that's my uh so I've talked about small worlds that's awesome and
tonight's theme thank you thank you Jerry okay well up next is uh uh Dr Marcelo Souza uh he is
uh running a program called uh uh the uh young uh
yeah I always forget the name the young stars of tomorrow that's what it is and
um uh uh our the Explorer Alliance Mentor program is uh uh has joined up
with this program to um uh help uh Inspire and teach students
uh down in Brazil which include uh quite a number of schools and and students
down there I've been on one Live program on there so far uh and I plan to be on
more um but uh Marcelo maybe you could give us an update of what's Happening
good evening nice thank you for the invitations because ever is a great pleasure to be with you here and do you
feel the participants here I will share my screen because it we we began the
achieved this English school since October and this is a project that we are developing with the support
of the EOS consulates in here de Janeiro I am Sharma
okay yeah okay this name of Republic startup
tomorrow we began the project on September 30th
and the the project will be developed until [Music]
you hear the support of the metal thank you Scott Scott's participating in one
of the video conference uh and we also have support of AWB and Sally Bates so
we're still important here is where we look allocated here in
Brazil in here there's a near Estates and the we live in the notification of hidden
hill I don't know if you can see my yes in
this Vision that you we live here I have a Nature Park here
and here is our city companies here is the place where you have a deal
are you from most of the Ohio from Brazil is coming from here from the
ocean almost 70 percent of joy and the we began to develop the activity
in schools on September this is the first school that we visited then the
project will be developed from October 2021 until October next year 2022.
uh The Men We are going to visit more than 40 schools
in six different seats for our region Andy will involve more than 2 400
students in this project even we are yet in a
pandemic period here in Brazil I believe that's in Audi world and even with these problems we are
developing activities in schools because the schools open up here who need to be careful but the schools
are working here we what are the men
uh lines the main topics of this project we are going to talk about astronomy a
space exploration and students will learn how to Pro to
make apps for smartphones on the rights and they
also we they know about the cartons how
to make cartoons here students are looking for the sun with his sunglasses we
receive a donation from uh Stephen hemsden he sent it three
thousand degrees for us to give to the students here
and here is Casey one of members of astronomy group that they are doing
activities in schools here and the uh here is she was talking about
the NASA and the rain began about the specs exploration and here we have two
students that are talking about programming she's talking about programming she talks about the Arts
because you want to associate everything with astronomy here and to motivate
these students because you know that astronomy is something is one of the the
main areas of science that motivated people then we use astronomy as
adore to that you want to open to show science
for the students here and here is you can see what we are
doing school here is a report in Brazilian TV about the project
this was the first school that you visited here and we already visited 80 schools
since the September 3rd
this was the first we are talking about astronomy here I go
Visa along here then we talk
and after this we have more students that you want to
participate in the project and also yeah we are choosing five
students that they receive a scholarship
during nine months to work in the project five students from fundamental
schools and high schools from the schools that we are visiting
then you see that you have a the students
need to be a distance between each other due to the difficult Purity
yet or me again I'm sure
the two students that are involved in the project one of them now she is
studying in high school but she is an artist dances and motivating students to
develop projects you know she studies in a public schools
in a public school here
and other students that she is a physicist now she is doing
studying a master degree she wants to get an astronomy in Universe in the city
of hidden Channel
and this is what we are doing here uh Audi place that we are going to
receive the support of the municipal governments here you see the mayor of
the city this is the city of Santa Maria Medallion the other City we were already developed the project
then we have the students here and another she's talking about
programming arts and now we have a workshops with the students after the
presentations and where you talk about astronomy Andy we try to find new
talents this is the main objective of the project that you want to find a new Talent
for English schools the the students will be
invited to be with us [Music] every 15 days to talk about science and
to know more about programming and about the Arts and the how we can
develop projects that involve Arts science and program
here another project here they are looking to the sky here to
see the sun with the sunglasses and we received now a material from another
that I sent to us by to the U.S consulates then we now the students
let's see uh most of what motivated to participate in the project you will receive another 3D
that is to see made this stereoscopic his glasses stickers and other stickers
folders bags and the outside newspaper about the
50 years celebration of 50 years of the man on the moon
it is this is life school we developed today the project in this room
and we already gave to the students they look today so now he see they are
developing the apps here is the part of your Arts in here
students here seven years folders and the stickers and the another
3D and he owes you a newspaper about the 50
years of in then we organize an International Beauty
conference with Steve hermanus it's quite hard thank you Scott to participate thank you and the Vivian
whites that these are the first three every week we have a video conferences
with a researchers and the Educators from United States and Brazil
and the next one will be for Mike Simmons Eduardo Gonzalez from another
and Dr Jose Lodge that is a Brazilian that's what that man
and this is our future project battery developing here in Brazil and we hope we
can find new talents and you can motivate the students well even we are
living a very difficult moments but it will be an opportunity for a day to
know about the science well this is what we are doing yeah that's
wonderful that's great it's uh it's inspiring to um to see so much youth
getting so involved in science and astronomy um we uh uh you know to it can only
really be felt and understood when you attend one of uh Dr Marcello's programs
um uh but uh and I've I've had the honor of doing that once we'll do it again virtually as we're going along here but
I also want to point out too that uh Dr Marcelo Souza along with David Levy are
the editors of Skies Up Magazine this is uh this is a printed copy but it is
available for free um uh as a as a download and
um uh it is uh truly a global astronomy magazine
um this next issue that's coming up this one was this the one that's out right now was primarily about Saturn
um but the next one that comes out is about Dark Skies uh the magazine
includes uh star maps by will Tyrion uh it's got uh lots of data on
astrophotography uh um commentary from uh Dr Souza and uh
also from David Levy I also write a column in it and uh it's just a really
great magazine to be involved with the next issue comes out this month uh and
uh you I will put in a link to where you can get your own copies digital copies
of sky zob that's great it's a fantastic experience
it's a fantastic magazine you're having people from different countries that
send the articles for the magazine then we also can know what to they are
developing in different countries there is a great opportunity to know
people from different counties around the world yes yeah it's great it's
wonderful okay well thank you for um for joining us tonight
you know it's uh it's always a pleasure so thank you thank you very much support
take care okay so up next uh is uh deep
T good Tom from Nepal uh she's uh she she was running a little bit late but
understandably because they're having major festivals in Nepal right now so uh which is great and uh uh I reminded DT
your only young one so you need to go to Every major Festival you can so
so anyhow uh DT how you doing um hello Scott and hello everyone and
yeah Elizabeth nowadays uh it's been like this is the week Festival of
deepavali in Nepal which is the festival of light and where we celebrate uh
interacting with our brothers sisters and uh many relatives and kind of
celebrate the Life Light of festivals so we like the called Dio which is the
small uh vessels made by the mod and we
light light this light that more in uh we worship or one goddess is uh she
represented represent the uh represent this uh wealth and um uh today and
yesterday it was the main day so I was a bit awake last late night so okay so
today is our theme is the uh the old and I relate the world the
planet our Earth and um what is uh actually the world is and what is
actually the planet is a body which orbits the sun directly and is massive enough to be in hydrostatics equilibrium
and to dominate its orbits and specifically the eighth major body of
Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus and Neptune in Earth our home
planet is a world unlike uh any others and the third planets from the Sun in
Earth is the only place is known as the universal confirmed to host life and
what is the fifth largest planet now solar system and it is uh one it is the
only one of known for CO2 have liquid water on the surface and of the
atmosphere consists of Nitrogen oxygens and more solar energy is received by
tropical reasons than a polar regions and is redistributed by
circulations greenhouse gases also play an important role in regulating the
surface temperatures or reasons climate is not only determined by latitude but
also by Evolution approximately to more breaking oceans among other factors
several weather such as a tropical cyclone in thunderstorm and we heat waves occur in the most area and greatly
impact the life and also there we interact with others object in space especially the moon and as we know the
Moon is the initial satellite of Earth only one needs to satellite of them are in the earth orbits around the Sun is
about 65.25 days that is earth axis of rotation is tilted with respect to its
uh orbital plane a producing station or a season on Earth and the gravitational's introductions
are between Earth and Moon causes the tides as you know that stabilize the all
orientations on its axis and gradually slow its rotations most orthostensis
um planet in the solar system in the largest in most massive of the four rocky planets not expected a long-term
future is tied up that sun and over the next 1.1 billion years solar Luminosity
will increase by 10 percent and over the next 3.5 year uh why 40 percent Earth
increasing service temperatures will escalate the organic or inorganic carbon
cycles and reduction of CO2 in concentration two levels low for planets
and that is um in approximately 100 to 900 million years the lack of vegetations will result in the last
oxygens in the atmospheres are making animal life impossible and due to the increased Luminosity or the main uh
temperatures May reach up to 100 degrees Celsius or in 1.5 billion years in all
oceans water will evaporates and lost space which is made triggers a wrong way
the Greenhouse Effect and all this and even if the sun very establish of
friction of the water in the modern Muslims will descend to uh the mentals due to the reduced steam painting from
the middle of sceneries and I have written I recently written a small poem
in in the dream I have uh in a dream in my
dream book I write I dreamed a dream it had caused me to awaken give me a power
to move on in my dream book I write some dreams are about life about a love last
and broken a dream I dreamed last night I had risk up to the moon the dream I
failed is now taken to my dream book I write my step in the dream which I
created in my imaginations or Dream I Dreamed book I died some dreams are very
light good dreams come only one and then most gym I dream the night but it was
the Daydream comes to the main I wish to make it right the leave may have that
leave me happy and more fallen in my dream book I write how dream will come tonight until I have reawaken I dreamed
a dream last night in my dream I write thank you that's my I love that
I love that that's great well wonderful uh DT so
um uh this Festival is still going on now or uh yeah it will last after the
two days uh up to the 7th 8th November
great that's one that's wonderful thank you for uh coming on to the program and
uh uh you know enjoy the the festival is
thank you so much okay uh so at this point we will go to another 10 minute break and um uh
come back uh uh to Adrian Bradley uh who's I think has some new images to
share with us so thanks again new to everyone else and my
video is slow and I'm trying to see if I can catch it up to uh
my voice I'm using a uh camera that hasn't caught up to
uh everything get so uh hopefully it'll be caught up by the time I do my presentation okay
let's just
foreign
foreign
foreign
to observe with Hubble we actually have to plan out pretty far in advance and for the outer planets what we do is we
pick the time when they're at opposition and that means that it's opposite from the Sun from the Earth's point of view
and that basically gives us the highest resolution view that's when Hubble is the closest to each planet even though
that doesn't vary much over a year and the planets are a little bit more challenging because they move and so
Hubble has to find guide Stars first that tell it where it's pointing in the sky but then it has to track those
planets so it has to move following the planet across the sky and so that has to be interleaved with all the other
Science Program Hubble's doing every single day and so it's very carefully coordinated to fit in as Hubble then
orbits around the earth and so it gets planned out down to the minutes of exactly which image we're going to take
in which filter for each of those planets so it's a cosmic dance of getting Hubble
pointed in the right place moving in the right direction and tracking all at the same time
[Applause] the opal project or the outer planets atmosphere's Legacy program is an
observational program using the Hubble Space Telescope and what we're doing is we're looking at each of the outer
planets every year so that we can build up a time base using the exact same facility in the same instruments so we
can actually track what's changing over the years on each of those planets
and it started really with Jupiter in essence we were trying to look at the
weather and as we're trying to understand whether we know even here on Earth it
changes every minute every hour every day and we didn't have that kind of time coverage but we also didn't even have
long time coverage to look at things that changed over seasons and so we had this big gap in our knowledge where we
just weren't getting frequent enough data to be able to Trend any of these things and the idea kind of came about
to look at a legacy program where we built up a legacy for Hubble within the
planetary community and in 2014 we started with our first observations of Uranus and the first thing I think we
noticed was Uranus had a very prominent polar cap it was very much brighter and
getting brighter over time we've watched it over the last few years get much brighter Neptune on the other hand has been
really quite interesting the first thing we noted was it had a lot of bright white clouds and they were coming and
going pretty rapidly and a lot of different latitudes [Music] and so when we start looking at Neptune
and Uranus as Dynamic planets with changing atmospheres weather like we know now for Jupiter and Saturn we
realize that we have a lot of gaps in our understanding
and so we've been able to use the Opel program to track how much cloud cover we have from year to year but the other
thing we can do with Hubble that we can't really do any other way is look for dark spots and so the Great Dark
Spot was this big iconic feature we saw with voyager and when we looked again a few years later finally when Hubble was
online it was gone and that kind of surprised us because we were used to the Great Red Spot which
doesn't go away it's changed over time but it's still there [Music] and so these storms are not quite the
same as what we see on Jupiter because they form and go away a much more rapid time scales
the latest image of Neptune is really interesting to me because we don't see those bright white clouds we've been
seeing the last few years as a matter of fact the only thing we see in that particular image is this Great Dark Spot
and so in a lot of ways it brings us around full circle because this looks so much like the Voyager image from 1989
and that was pretty surprising to me not to see as much Cloud activity as we've been seeing in previous years
the opal team is actually a fairly small team there's only three of us but our data is immediately available to the
public and any other scientist that wants to use them and so we do that as well as our own scientific analysis
I think having so much Hubble data now there's just so much in there to study and you know as a scientist that's what
drives us is trying to solve Mysteries trying to look for new Mysteries and so having these long-term data sets with
just such Rich numbers of features in there there's always something to go look at and it's certainly going to keep
us busy for years to come even when we're not getting any [Music]
foreign
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well everyone we're back um I hope you enjoyed that little uh video segment from uh from NASA and the
Hubble Space Telescope uh I guess on November 1st Hubble the the telescope
went into safe mode um I haven't been able to completely
completely tracked that but I think that the the technicians have either already
figured out how to get you know get it back online or will very soon so but
they say that all the instruments are healthy so that that's awesome um uh we have had a great uh uh run
tonight uh with our uh our presentations with David Levy David icker
um uh you know uh DT Tom from Nepal just gave a great presentation
um and up next is uh Adrian Bradley uh who uh as I mentioned before we went to
break has some new images to show and so we're very excited to see those Adrian how you doing man well I'm doing okay
um the background is represents fall color so I thought I'd go with that my
video is still a little slow so I'm just gonna cut it and yeah I could hear you
talking but your lips were like wow it's a new trick that I had learned reliquest
uh actors yeah exactly so so what I'll do
um you did say new new pictures so um they will be new pictures they will
be new to everyone at the global star party right um so I thought I'd start with a little bit
of background I don't only do night sky photography but I do have a few other
things that I enjoy doing um like watching the Yankees lose to the
tigers um I also try my hand at a little macro
photography very nice when that um comes out and of course something near and dear to you Scott bird photography which
I took this very recently that is beautiful they uh yeah an a7r4 this
turned those pictures turned out really well now while I love doing that sort of
photography it's the night photography that I love doing the most shooting at the Moon is
just one of the many things that I'll do coming back in
from doing Wildlife photography the same big lens in the same camera
gets pointed up at the Moon if it's out and I'll fire at it
um one thing that's been happening is Aurora and in our area especially to the
north um there's been plenty of Aurora uh that people have been chasing because we
finally got a pretty good geomagnetic storm last night and there's gonna be a
little bit of it tonight but I don't think the conditions are going to be quite as favorable
um on March 21st I took a number of images of the Aurora and
I can show you some of those I went to take Milky Way photos and I ended up shooting so some of these
are just raw out of camera Aurora shots that you know I haven't released
and sometimes we get it we mess up a little bit the very first shot I took
was this one where all the stars were out of focus but you could still see the aurora
once you dial it in stars are in focus you know the Aurora is distant but faint
when I got here that's what I saw and as I continue to
shoot the Aurora simply got stronger and stronger now this is a processed image but it just shows you the Aurora
got stronger as I was going chances are strong if you were out in my region in
Michigan or Northern Michigan this is what you saw in the Horizon last night
so this is a uh this is a place in lower Michigan um on the real the tip of the thumb
um the right hand tip of the thumb called pointo bark Lighthouse Park a great place for me to do
uh my photography so so here a couple a couple of the images
that I got so I wasn't I wasn't so upset about missing some of the Aurora because I had a chance to
shoot it um March during the Spring Equinox and
I enjoyed my time out there just trying different things here we have a Milky
Way cygnus region shot with the Aurora on the left and the cygnus region that's
North American nebula right there on the right and all of the the lakes that I'm
shooting over Lake Huron um this
is a Milky Way shot that I attempted facing the other way and this is light
Blow from Canada we're facing south east now and there's some light glow from Canada
across the uh this little pond called Lake Huron and as you can see the Milky Way is
there I can actually in real time show you
some of the things that I do to burn it out before before sending it to photoshop
um you might notice a slight change visibility
happening in the Milky Way now just using Lightroom
um you know doing some minor edits with Lightroom and suddenly
the Milky Way starts popping out and you can see there's this is Scorpius now
this of course this was three or four in the morning in March
the Milky Way Rose Over the Horizon and
it you could see as much of the core and of this part of
the Milky Way region you know kind of laying on the horizon this is this always makes a beautiful shot for those
of you that want to do some Milky Way Photography this is always a beautiful shot
and there's the coat hanger I always look for the coat hanger
whenever I'm shooting and there's also a nebula Barnard's has
uh it's the called the Barnard's e that's there's some remnant of that
nebula here this is tarzad the star and there's a dark nebula here that looks a
little bit like an e we might be able to bring that out if I do
this it didn't help too much but uh it's a great visual Target as well as something
to look for whenever you see a Milky Way image one difference with shooting a sharp
Milky Way versus just having it in a background when you can start picking
out objects in the Milky Way like the Lagoon here and even life
nutrified versus it just being a sort of a flat plane or just sort of a flat
object when you start picking out details that's when you know you've got a detailed Milky Way and not just a uh
you know your your back or you just don't have a background little band I
always prefer making this as detailed as possible because I think it adds to the overall picture it's something you don't
normally see even in Oklahoma you can see some of this
but some of the details um you don't get to see some of the details but uh
with a good picture you see them all so tower started developing with the Aurora
and I'll let's move to here are some of the pictures that I may have shown in
some of this star parties prior this was a final image after processing this is one that I
haven't shown but beautiful image the way that the Aurora
continued to dance through and it's it's just uh
it was just it was amazing to watch I could barely see some of the colors but I could see the movement of the Aurora
as I was taking these photos this is a a little overdone with the purple the
colors are close but when you're processing you try and you know find the difference
between good taste and overdoing it and case in point here one
of my favorite shots or series of shots is this picture this is the out of camera
picture with uh that I took of the lighthouse and the Milky Way going over the
lighthouse and tried a couple of different angles this is crooked
this one is one of the images that I made into a final
but you know there's some there's some Elegance with the out of camera shot I
mean it's everything's clean here it's a it's a wide angle lens so there's some distortion
but this is a clean the way the camera saw the image the
the lighthouse and and like you can like how the Milky Way seems to be pouring out of one side
of the lighthouse you know yeah smoke Trail or something absolutely I mean we can do a little bit of editing to
bring that out and I think you know this image would be just as uh
intriguing oops not too much though we want to when
you're making images look more realistic you know don't be as heavy-handed as I
am on the uh on uh your image because you don't want
that you want your Sky to start getting dark but you don't want it to
you know you don't want to overdo it that is what you see minus the fact that
you got more detail here the Milky Way um and then you do have this glow in the
distance um if you don't like so much glow
from live pollution just take it out with the yellow and you'll have a little less glow it'll
look a little more like a darker area um any color that you don't like as much
you click on it and you draft the saturation a bit and that
color like that reddish color should begin to go away so if it's not a
reddish color you try Orange and then see if it goes it starts to go away a little bit so
just different different ways that you can mess with your images tweak them to your
taste and um you know there's Aurora now mind you
there's Aurora going on to my left when I took this shot but I took the time to take this because I had already taken
several other pictures so um
just sort of going through here here's I think this was another this is another shot that I processed and tried to make
into a money shot as you as you go through as I go through
this thing it's you look back at pictures and you go you know these weren't too bad hmm like this one you see the pillars
um the shot that I ended up selling was this one when the pillars
were well developed but it was back here this is a cool this is a I like this
picture here too this is the first time I've seen it in a while um you've this kind of takes you with me
here I am taking pictures that's my shadow and I'm
looking out and you see trees and you can see the aurora dancing this is the
park and that's Lake Huron straighten it up just a little bit so
that the Horizon's straight and
and now I have something that I would send out and
you know this is this good quite easily just be become another
in another photo to share maybe make the uh you know make the sky a little darker
and maybe take some of the purple out too
it's you don't have to
you know adjust the colors a bit you can we play around with that but um anyway
that's and that's where I'll just I'll just sort of scroll through
these were all the shots that I took and tried to make something of
um didn't always do a good job but I think the originals are available I can always start over and I think like this
is a this would be a good one to start over on because I think it's like okay I went crazy there
is the original so so this is one that I could
you know work on and then I I was so jazzed up by being
there that I stayed for Sunrise and then everything changes when it's uh
and then the birds came in so this is a this is a neat way to kind of tie this up
Birds started flying in and I didn't have any birding camera I was there to do night photography for Sunrise so I
felt adequately unprepared so all my birds were uh fuzzy
but um really beautiful pre-dawn images that I was able to take
here's Two Geese and they looked toward where the sunrise
was coming I thought that was interesting that as the animals came in all the birds came in and they started
looking toward the east as if they were ready to watch the sunrise themselves
so I found that to be very very interesting and these are the first vestiges of dawn
and I tried to get a little bit of see the disc of the
sun the sun came up very very fast when this time when the the sun appeared
six shots later most of the disc of the sun is already above the horizon
that is uh that was incredible to me and so I just I watched it I took
pictures I hand held most of the pictures another photographer had come out and so
he was taking pictures of the sunrise here here we have more of the sunrise
happening this was one of the uh
photos that I uh photos that I took another one
and then I tried to get before I ended I tried to get fancy
with uh with my Sunrise photography and finally left
ended up with this shot and that will be the the shot that I leave you with
as um I don't know where my video is yep I'm still behind but um
yeah that's where I leave it a night of shooting at auroras and Then daytime
photography or Sunrise photography on top of it it's uh I highly recommend it
for all of you that aspire to get out there and take photos and try and get some images done
um going out there and just do it
if nothing else you'll have memories you may find a few shots that you're
surprised that you had um and a few shots that you might work on and say you know this would be a
beautiful this would be a beautiful shot to post so so that's it Scott and yes I was
inspiring that's great thank you and yes this is a bowling shirt you wanted to
see a bowling shirt last time that is a bowling shirt
a little bit more retro like from the 50s or something yeah I I think that's
being washed I have one that's like that but it's um it's being washed or it's
hung up somewhere um so you have uh thank you all for the uh
comments I saw a couple pictures of the comments Harold Locke has seen my uh
cranes photo and that's that's an amazing shot I you know I and I don't
know um Scott I have an a7r4 and that was one of the I was testing it out
there lower lighting conditions and I'm like well this these shots shouldn't
come out so well but when I took the picture and processed it it turned out great so maybe maybe there is something
to the megapixels in a camera or something like that because I've I've
taken similar photos with my other gear and not come out with a sandhill crane shot like that so I don't know maybe
there's something to the better cameras remarkable it is especially in low light so
yeah yeah so that yeah all so that camera is gonna next thing it's gonna do is go out
to that same site and we're gonna take some night photography with it and see what I can do sure so we'll we I think
that's the camera I'm gonna try to get is one of the Sony A7 cameras so yeah it's a yeah it's a good it's a
great camera it's got a it's got a number number of features so I may have an a73 used on sale for you pretty soon
if I just decide that this other one's gonna be my main camera but
um I didn't show wedding photos because I also will be weddings from time to time and sell prints so
and I have a business card um
okay I don't know that I this is gonna work because I'm so far behind so
ah never mind but I do have a business card now so it's at one of the photos that you saw
yeah in the presentation is the back of the is the image in front of the
business card it's one of the uh Lighthouse with the Aurora behind it okay
um I took the signature image for you yeah right that it almost was the Milky
Way with the lighthouse in front I almost think that's just the signature
and image but um the Aurora especially with the
Aurora being in season I thought that would be a good that'd be a good one to use there's enough dark spots to put name and
information in so that's how I did it let's see if
I think I'm only behind by a couple of seconds so in a minute you're gonna see me hold up a business card it's like
seeing it's hang in there yeah time and space it's like watching me in the past
right and astronomers are used to that yeah
yeah I predict that I'll be holding up a uh business card
in I don't know how many seconds if it takes too long I'm just gonna give
up and then we can go ahead and move to the next uh move to your presentation sure
in fact let's do that because um I'm interested well I you know while we were
talking and chatting um and and presenting uh Jeff wise sent me
an image of the Pelican nebula uh and I thought I would share that with you I've
got some of the image data um and uh that's let's bring that up
so they can see it full screen
yep we can I can see it on your screen yeah there we go yeah that is a
beautiful image this is uh this is uh 17.36 hours of integration from Jeff
Wise It's the bellica nebula uh V2 version two I guess
um uh so it was 432 five minute images
um uh with 152 millimeter telescope and Asi
um 6200 Pro mm Pro and he was using three
nanometer chroma filters for this shooting in narrow bands so it's just uh remarkable but you can see all the
um you know the these these uh tendrils here you know this they're like it's
like newborn Stars you know that pop out like seeds you know I Envision that and
you can see them all over the place here so this is a wonderful star-forming region
um and a very large uh you know swath of sky so
uh that excellent uh Focus excellent uh tracking
um you know uh excellent processing so great job Jeff a big shout out for you
dude so all right so uh let's go back to me
I don't do very many presentations really um uh but I you know in my experience
and you know being with amateur astronomers uh doing star parties uh
doing Global star parties like this uh uh you know uh my my history and really
being involved full time in uh some aspect of uh you know maybe more the
serious side of amateur astronomy um uh you know that goes back to about
1980 uh I I have just had the most amazing
um uh you know experiences uh the people the the places I've gone the eclipses
I've seen all of the stuff I I really I'm every time that there's some other uh
uh you know experience that happens I go that's that's got to be the Pinnacle experience for me I thought that when I
saw uh the comet Shoemaker Levy uh Jupiter and then I thought it when I uh
went to uh the eclipse uh uh while I was at Mauna Kea you know and uh uh being
there with professional astronomers and all the rest of it you know I'm I remember just kind of pinching myself
going you know how is it that I'm even here you know um and uh you know meeting uh Buzz
Aldrin for example and being uh uh giving Moon gazing parties for him and
uh having a a time to sit down with him privately while he told me his vision
for going to Mars um you know I you know
astronomy uh the experience of amateur astronomy has exceeded my wildest dreams
and uh so um I've given a lot of thought to the
different aspects of astronomy one of the things I love to do is I love to do educational Outreach
I've I've said it before in these programs but uh you know when things aren't right in the world for me uh you
know for whatever reason you know we all run through some sort of hardship or whatever we think that things are so
heavy on us for the moment one of the things that I do uh is I I love to do
sidewalk astronomy and show other people um you know the moon or Saturn for the
very first time and man that's that just brings back uh so much energy for me
um that I love it so you know I I talk to other people uh to try to kind of
Coach them into understanding the universe uh that they live in and their
connection with the universe and so I have a PowerPoint here that I have started to put together and I'll
just kind of share some of the ideas that I have uh and probably you out there watching uh have similar ideas
similar feelings but uh I'll kind of go through this let's do that
I'll bring this up in full presentation mode
and I I call this the um the the power of stargazing let me make sure that
that's broadcasting right there we go it is and um you know I feel
that uh that uh stargazers whether it's just you're doing uh stargazing from
your own backyard backyard looking up or if you have a telescope and and uh
you're really exploring uh you know the skies with your telescope or you're a professional astronomer uh uh you know
you are you are developing and deepening a relationship with the Stars which I
personally believe is actually good for you and so um so this is uh one of my you know
everybody has Heroes uh I have many uh a lot of them appear on global star party
but uh one of them also is uh Kip Thorne who I got to meet
um uh during the 2019 Eclipse uh total eclipse down in Chile and a great
um you know quote that he has is that we're all born with a curiosity about the universe and those people
who don't have a curiosity don't have it because it's gotten beaten beaten out of them in some way so but it's absolutely
true um and of course Kip Thorne is uh you know was a peer of Stephen Hawking good
friends with Stephen Hawking um and uh he is uh one of the Nobel
laureates as one of the developers of the ligo gravity wave detector
let's see there we go so I think that one of the things that happens when you do stargaze
stargazing uh you know if you slow down a little bit you start this kind of
bonding process you know that that happens um this really helps
if you have someone that is there to kind of guide you through the sky you
know and we'll you know uh a lot of people who are just starting to go
observing or stargazing you know if they don't know you they kind of have their Persona that they kind of project to the
rest of the world um but if you're out there with them and you show them the sky which is you know
in a beautiful dark skies like a it's kind of like a temple I mean it's just it's awe-inspiring it feels sacred okay
and uh you know if you allow yourself or if you can get someone else that you're
trying to to share this experience with to kind of slow down okay and to really
kind of drink in this side of the Milky Way you know and have them continually
looking up they're going to see Meteor Falls they're going to see uh uh they're
going to start to see the sky deeper and deep through because they're they're uh their eyes are becoming accustomed to
the to the dark um and uh they start to
they start to uh ask questions like you know they'll say Scott I I want to ask
you a stupid question when I hear that I know that now that they are starting to
really explore okay and this this uh this these experiences uh really you
know I wrote here that uh uh when you develop a relationship with the universe through stargazing and studying current
astronomical science it can lead you to Greater scientific literacy what does that mean okay well it just means that
you get to uh uh gain a greater understanding into the exploration
that's currently going on okay and there's many different ways that scientists are exploring it average
people are exploring it you know um it is something I think that is uh
inherent in our in our psyche and in our
you know in our spirit to to discover and explore and be curious about the
world and um so uh this kind of this
kind of uh uh these moments I think bring about a Tranquility you know we've
chatted about this uh in in our chats on global star parties and other programs
that we've done but many of you come forward to talk about the uh the kind of
peacefulness that kind of comes over you and uh the Tranquility that you experience because you're you're getting
this sense of wonder you're seeing you're you're you know that you're seeing something that is much much
bigger than you are or you're the the city that you live in or your job or or
all of these things you know you start to feel this uh experience of feeling very tiny
um but uh this kind of of Tranquility moments of Tranquility can Stave off
illness gives you better mental health physical health
and you can start to connect yourself with everything that is and that sense
of belonging is very important to everyone foreign this slide I titled mindful communion
uh you know that you know a quiet night of mindful communion Under the Stars
reduces stress and improves their mood now what do I mean my mindful Community communion it's basically that you're
you're now fully focused on the site that you have at hand and your
exploration that's going on kind of reduced is all the rest of the noise of
maybe some problems that you have or things you've got to do or all these
other things okay you are you are bonding with with with the with the
universe that's in front of you and and the mindfulness is that you're you're
paying attention Okay at that time and this further these are these are aspects
of meditation you know and I think that astronomers especially amateur astronomers kind of meditate when
they're looking at the sky whether they call it meditation or not uh those moments where they're taking long looks
through the telescope uh you know maybe uh stretched out on a uh you know my
friends get anti-gravity chairs and pairs of binoculars to look up at the sky but you start it really kind of
starts to soak in uh the the sacred kind of feeling this is very equivalent to people who've
gone to to forests and do like uh I think they call
it Forest bathing or something where you're going out amongst the trees and stuff and suddenly you you start to just
kind of notice that your your senses are elevated uh your mind is clearer you
know things look more Vivid to you um you know and uh people that measure
these kinds of things uh in health uh find that your blood pressure goes down
uh you know your stress related hormones uh you know get reduced
this is really good stuff for you okay by doing this more often uh you're
you're definitely going to be healthier than you would be otherwise I can attest to that after the uh the uh
okey Tech star party I came home and found that I could fit in a pair of pants that I could not fit in when I
left so it did what Scott's saying is real and you know the uh the diet of more
veggies and groceries to save on food costs might have helped just a little
bit but being out there among all those Stars seeing those Skies very
therapeutic you could we could watch my blood pressure because we had a blood pressure machine there my blood pressure
went down by a few points each each night while we were out oh that's so
it's very true I have a blood pressure machine too I should take it out so I am tested on
some people uh yeah so now to look at an amazing sky and and so uh there's there's another
aspect that is very beneficial for people and it is the feeling of gratitude uh you know uh there's a very
funny um uh uh talk by George Carlin who says
the warships the sun okay uh you know he goes on his rant about religion but
um uh but he worships the son he says you know the sun is there the sun provides for everything you know and all
the stuff he's saying in his comedy routine are actually true okay uh without the sun you know there there
would be no life on Earth uh you know so it's it some of these aspects of uh you
know you know our son is just you know one of hundreds of billions or maybe a trillion stars in the Milky Way uh you
know but it's just the right size it's the right distance you know uh it's
stability uh is very important to us because it needs to be stable even though we see it burp from time to time
and you know maybe it takes out a bunch of electronics or something uh these conditions of uh us living the right
distance on a planet like ours you know in this totally you know Goldilocks zone
uh is something that you should from time to time contemplate okay yeah maybe
you didn't get that raise at work or somebody said something you didn't like or these kinds of things but how often
do you think about I mean just the basic gratitude of you know the fact that
you're live all the wonderful things that have happened to you uh since you were born I
mean all of these things are because you know we have this relationship and
with our son and in our universe and so it is it is something to kind of slow
yourself down and start to think about it and you will know that gratitude is becoming beneficial
for you because what will happen at one point is you start to find more and more
things to be grateful for okay versus you being irritated okay and getting
more and more irritated so you'll find that by uh doing something beneficial
like focusing on gratitude on these things uh and and in astronomy we have I
mean we can see these things you know we can we can uh understand these things you know as as astronomers that the the
Sun the reason why you know this Fusion reactor that that's keeping us all alive
and is uh is really something that is nothing short of miraculous and um
so it is uh this feeling of gratitude does again give you qualities that
improve your health your state of mind okay being irritated all the time is
really bad for you and scientists have have underst starting to understand why
because it kind of starts to destroy things going on I mean physically in
your brain in your nerves okay uh you know so uh you know you can you can
Stave off uh uh things like strokes and heart attacks and cancer and stuff by by
developing some of these really beneficial qualities foreign
things I also find is very very interesting I've had a chance to talk to astronauts a few of them and I've read
about this and this this thing called the overview effect and this uh really got uh put to light from the Apollo
Astronauts when they got to see you know as they're coming around uh you know The
Far Side of the Moon and they see the Earth rise and that
they suddenly look at the Earth as this living orb they don't see the the
countries and the boundaries and all the rest of it they just see this living thing out there amongst this vastness of
dark space and they know that that's their home and they know that they are connected to it
they're part of it okay and almost all of those astronauts are lives fundamentally changed the way that they
think about the Earth is just uh is just an amazing thing and so if you can find
um things on the Internet or books uh uh where these astronauts have describe the
overview effect I I recommend that you read them amateur astronomers also
experience the amate the overview effect by looking at other worlds through their
telescopes and I would say that one of those worlds that probably has changed more
amateur astronomers than anything it's been Saturn to see Saturn in its rings
and all of its beauty and then to you know gaze there for long
enough to see that it's got moons and uh that that it's this this beautiful
treasure that's up in the sky has really changed many many people and so uh it
gives you it has this benefit of reframing things for you
uh you know the stress the everyday stress in our jobs and our responsibilities uh you know hardships
that we might think that we might have okay whether you you do have a hardship or not okay
um you know they get reframed and this gives you this is like an Elixir okay
that costs almost nothing it's it's it's amazing
and so this reframing I you know I I again I try to put down more words here
uh and I call it a fresh perspective um and I have the photo for me that uh
really uh you know hits home on this aspect is the pale blue dot photo that
Carl Sagan had um you know the Voyager team turned the Voyager spacecraft around so that it
could get this image at the time he was trying to do this the rest of the scientists said look uh Carl that the
there is no scientific value to this okay but I will tell you that this image
of the pale blue dot you know Earth from all this distance away from the
Voyager spacecraft as it's heading towards the outer part of our solar system uh you know uh it it caused him
to write uh the um you know his his
um his thoughts about the available Dot and you know he discusses you know the you know our Centrist View
of of the universe and our you know the greed and the wars fought and you know
he goes on to talk about every lover and every rock star and every every memory that there ever was in all of humanity
is on two pixels in the middle of that image okay and so if this doesn't seeing something
like this and and um and bringing yourself to understand
uh your place in the universe I mean if this doesn't make you feel small okay
um then you know I would say that you need to look again feeling small is something that a lot of
beginner amateur astronomers experience when they're first looking through the telescope and they see you know you're
pointing the telescope at maybe I don't know like the whirlpool Galaxy you know and you tell them it's 25 million light
years away you know you're seeing 25 million years back into time uh when when we were as amateurs uh
looking at uh the whirlpool Galaxy and seeing a supernova explosion you know it
shine brighter than the whole galaxy and to know that that explosion happened 25 million years ago
and you're just now getting the photons it's not fake okay these photons aren't like dead photons or something it's the
original photons being released from that supernova finally getting to you finally hitting
your retina it's actual contact okay to those nerve endings in your eyes
and uh and that's what that's what visual um the visual experience is like for
amateur astronomers when I'm talking to groups of people about that you know we're spaced a few feet apart I remind
them okay yeah you're looking at the whirlpool Galaxy it's 25 million light years away a star exploded there that
star's no longer there okay that star's no longer there you're seeing the
explosion now okay and it happened 25 million years ago
and then I remind them look you see me and I see you but we don't even see each other in real time I'm seeing you the
briefest fraction of a second ago because light has to go from me to you so these things these aspects of that
you're confronted with in in amateur astronomy give you pause to refrain and
think a different way and opens your mind to new possibilities you know that
the world is not so hard edged as you think uh that it is that all the every
part of what you might see is solid or gaseous or liquid or what you think is
space okay is all interconnected it's all interconnected so there's no
separateness but uh when you contemplate your size in the
universe as being so small that's a that's a very humbling thing and it's good to be humbled okay but I remind
them I say look what you know of the universe now and what you see
throughout the sky it shows you the vastness of your own mind and so then because it requires a mind
to to understand uh the universe it requires our senses and so there's uh
there's lots of philosophical uh uh comments from greater thinkers than of
course me um uh that have uh explored this and um
uh but uh it gives you uh the the a practical way
of taking your problems and putting them into perspective okay
because we're only alive for maybe we live a hundred years but that's a short time okay and so there's lots of
important things that we got to do at that time and you don't want to waste it by worrying and you don't want to waste
it by being irritated and you don't want to waste it by making yourself
not feel good which will lead you to getting sick
so um you know there's lots of really cool visualizations lots of great things that
have been done uh uh for you know in in professional astronomers trying to do
Outreach and showing us uh images like this one you know this is a this is
showing a visualization of what uh scientists currently think that the
Milky Way galaxy looks like you'll see this model change uh you know as the years go by
because they're collecting more data and they're measuring our galaxy better and better all the time
but you know to be you can see where the sun is we're out on What's called the Orion spur
uh we they think that uh that are you know that the sun is is whipping around
the center of the Milky Way and about 500 000 miles per hour
something on that order and this Galaxy's flying towards the Andromeda
galaxy at about a million and a half miles per hour so we're in a new part of space that we've never been to all the
time and we're flying around on this little blue spaceship called Earth and we've got this incredible blanket of
atmosphere and this the the uh you know the magnetic field around our planet
that protects us against asteroids and all kinds of stuff debris that's in
space okay uh so it's just it's an amazing thing you know if if somebody
was to write the story of this uh you know it would just be the most Fantastical
um explanation if you had to explain it to people that didn't know what Earth was or didn't you know let's pick aliens
or whatever how you're going to explain what Earth is uh to another life form it would be a big challenge actually
um but I I like to I like to take data like this uh to again further deepening
deepen the perspective okay that this is your home okay
your home's not just your condo or your house or your state or you know the
something that you belong to okay you belong also to this
our Milky Way galaxy and uh it is uh it's an incredible thing
in itself and uh you know other galaxies were only discovered you know quite
recently you know 1923 then Edwin Hubble had found a seafood variable in the uh
Andromeda galaxy confirming uh suspicion that a lot of people had that the spiral
nebula out there were actually other galaxies
there's The Wonder of creation okay uh you know when people look through
telescopes they're out with you under all of this and and this kind of uh this new perspective is coming about and
they're starting to ask other questions they'll ask things like you know well uh
you know whether they're coming from a religious side or their own sacred feelings that they might have or or just
you know from a straight up uh you know uh you know as a scientist might just
characterize it you know chemical reactions and energy and stuff uh but there's this whole cycle of of creation
is really really interesting and amateur astronomers can see this uh by looking
at uh star-forming regions like the shot that we saw earlier with Jeff wise
um the uh uh you know showing those tendrils of dark nebulosity compressing
down you know fusions occurring making new stars new planets and stuff and so
uh this this really nice illustration here shows you know how I you know some
like Star goes through a star you know uh is is coming from a star-forming
nebula goes to the red giant stage becomes a planetary nebula becomes a white dwarf this other material
you can see like two little arcs here that kind of arcing off there they return back to uh these giant clouds of
hydrogen and dust which cause uh which are the beautiful nebula that we see
like in 42 or the Pelican nebula that we just looked at uh in that that that that
star-making factory you know are little stars like the sun even smaller stars in
the Sun but also some massive stars and uh uh so they that that life cycle also
we see you know I I saw a massive star death in the whirlpool Galaxy a giant
star exploded um uh causing a supernova which you know
could become a neutron star at the end of it or a black hole you know one of
the strangest things ever and uh you know I would say that we are living in this amazing uh Renaissance or this uh
Golden Era of a astronomy uh because something that we when I was a kid in
the 1960s you know a black hole is just almost it was like science fiction you
know you know when it's seeing a black hole they were there were thoughts about black holes but you know I it had not been totally
worked out and then just a la last couple of years or so uh scientists have
actually finally imaged a black hole which is just mind-blowing mind-blowing
but that means okay this whole process doesn't mean that you're somehow separate from it okay because because
all of the elements that are forged in stars in this whole process
are the elements that make up us okay so you'll hear amateur astronomers say you
know kind of tongue-in-cheek well you know we're made of Stardust you know but it's absolutely true the iron in your
blood was you know from a supernova explosion uh the uh you know every
element that's in our bodies you know uh you know if you reduce a human body to its chemical elements
which you could do uh you know all of these chemical elements were formed in
Stars um so I mean you have this very
innate connection you are hardwired to the universe
and this is this is another aspect of looking at uh you know contemplating the
universe and stuff and all of its benefits that I just mentioned um is something that you should do now
again this doesn't mean that you have to go to a incredibly dark
site okay uh you could be in the middle of the city you could live in Las Vegas
or New York City London wherever you are in the in the on this planet but you can still see stars
and you can still see our moon and you can still see planets and of course you can still see our sun
and so um I love this uh this uh quote from Stephen Hawking about
remembering to look up at the stars he says look at the stars and now down at your feet and try to make sense
of what you see and wonder about that of what makes the universe exist be curious
and how are a difficult life may seem and I will tell you that I I met Stephen
Hawking briefly at Caltech and to see really face to face
how how that his disease had disabled
him and I tried to put myself into into his shoes and think about being as disabled as he was
yet you know his mind was able to convey
amazing uh secrets and I think that he
even in his life story talked about how his uh so-called disability is really
what allowed him to think the thoughts that he was able to think and to work out the problems that he was able to
work out so um you know a Real Genius that could take the most complex
uh concepts of the universe like explaining the inner properties of a black hole
and uh and to make it so that anyone could understand it is really the mark of a genius
he said there's always something you can do and succeed at and it matters that you just don't give up and so that that
is very that's an important uh piece of advice I think for anyone so
anyways that's that's kind of my those are my thoughts and um
um you know I want to thank you for uh letting me
give that little presentation let's see if I can get rid of this here we go
and so I think that's kind of where we're at right now and it looks like we have some
people here for the after party yeah my video is still caught in the
time warp so we're just gonna let that because it's gonna happen sure and Maxie
how are you Maxie how do you feel man well I'm I'm still recovering you know
my voice is very low loud yeah yeah yeah but
I'm still coughing I I have last week from the the
the temperature of the of here was very hot and with the air conditioning and
everything changing a lot uh well I I get a flu
normally but well I'm now recovering for that
well say sorry no you know last Saturday how it was yes we had uh 35 degrees Centigrade
degrees um in springtime and was a nightmare because we don't
expect a so hacked in predators in middle and in the end of the springtime
um well and today is not uh well the the the last week was was uh or Monday was
uh weather again but today is warm again
and this mix I understand you that that you are in a in a travel yes I
understand is is different temperatures drinking three
kinds of pills you know for the fever from the my nose from and
but I I'm still recovering but I'm here you gotta take care of yourself I'm just
glad it's not super serious or not yeah of course
video finally caught up to this uh to the underneath the second at least so
now I'm now my videos back which means I can you know that we see
the Fall colors we can switch back to uh uh we can go back to
a space virtual background there we go yeah
I don't have this possibility in when my my notebook of to make a better
background this is my real background and this is my living room and have first of all this this line
orange and blue are are something like decoration from the last Halloween
parties in my apartment from my daughter and your daughter
anybody removed the last yes and here in my screen without sound
yeah yeah let's see how long it takes for all our hands many many times I enjoyed in my living
room that's what my video was like earlier
[Laughter]
absolutely and I enjoyed a lot uh your pictures in the TV because it are
wonderful house looks very very yeah the show
looks very very good um um really with very very high definition
this is something that is nice to see um well tonight I had a uh Scott knows
that why I I'm early not early sorry late uh
um because this is the Late Night show from the GSP that's right yeah this is the Late Show yes I I was able only for
the LA the for The Late Show of because it was impossible early uh to to connect
but all this all is uh is resolved about
about the the accident of my wife in her toe
um um it's okay now and well I say I I say okay I need to to go to connect a little
in the end of the show um for the next week I prepare again the
presentation uh that it's about uh resolution power but with pictures of
the planets comparing uh with the same seeing conditions uh pictures of Jupiter
with different telescope um the idea it's a complete one or or
two or three pictures from pictures more uh because I I found exactly the size
the angular size of the details over Jupiter uh to compare the real things
about the the resolution powers in Optics comparing the same quality Optics
and the limits of the aperture only um it's very interesting because it's
this was the thing that was today impossible to to present for me but uh
it's it's great to to to show an experiment the idea uh
about the possibilities um I'm whole hobby there is an excellent
uh feel of uh experiment to to know a
resolution of course that double star R2 but it's so easy to understood with the
different storm and the small the smallest storms and details in Jupiter
and when you compare for example the explore scientific uh
127 maxutoff it's really in their own
limit of the diffracting uh uh the diffract the diffraction sorry
um I I was really I was real again take zero books amateur telescope making
books and it was uh I I promise that next week I presently
present that uh about resolution and of course that I'm able all the time to to
to talk about Optics um uh and it's very very interesting uh
for for what's very interesting for me uh uh returned to the books this
yes yeah I don't know if you if uh Adrian if
you ever got into telescope making or reading texturope books but they were
and I think there still are uh some of the best books there are for making a telescope and testing a mirror and all
the rest of it of course uh Cesar is uh uh very much into that and has been
building Making Mirrors for I think since he was very young in a minute I
want to show you something okay okay and yeah the the club that I'm in a lot of
guys there the older the older guys did build their own telescopes
and some may have used that book um so they add telescope building was
just a way of life and it's giving way to these huge astrophotography setups
now it's almost it's almost taking over the uh Hobby
to the point where people are getting in it you know getting these rigs these
impressive Rigs and then turning around and shooting in 42 shooting uh
um trying to think of the Irish nebula has become a popular Target and uh that looks like uh Maxie what do
you got that looks like a uh homemade OTA exactly but this is a galvanized tube
yeah very thin but I you know I think two
years ago I bought only the mirrors because I don't know how to polish but
uh I you know I wonder well let's see if I
can do some Newtonian so basically it's like more like
a Frankenstein style a pipe a pipe a pipe two yes yes stole a pipe tube from
from another house from the no no I'm out okay
you said this make a good telescope hey great great wow it's not very
circular because the the this this support is not very miserable but
in the other place okay I have this place to to get the
the mirror and three well we call it here mariposas the three I don't know
how it goes to to move well just adjustment screws the
adjustments [Applause] mirror that I also made made the
uh the the support of that mirror with only
uh parts of a lamp
he used what you had and
the the cup where is the secondary mirror you can see there there is
yes and it and this is culminated actually yeah no
but something that is great yeah
with that telescope I I try I also I well you can see the the holes there's
the hole for the secondary so they focus I put it out but uh
I want I measured how was the focal distance with pointing to the moon and with a a
with the regular I was measuring and I see that when I bought it uh it said
that it was 500 millimeters but it was 41 um
4010 for for how for 4010.
410 and millimeters of focal length so
I had another OTA but I had to cut it so that's why I built
this and I you can see the other host
practicing the focal and then there is where it is put it so to get focused
yeah you know I love that the the mirrors okay I only buy it I don't
know 10 bucks I remember that you told me that yes that that you you you buy that
of maybe of an old telescope and this is crazy about this every every time this
work let me show you my Bible yeah now I yes these are I look at book
up on Amazon and uh yeah buy that book used a used
book because it's not published anymore well they say five new for eighty dollars okay but this one's hardcover I
love that guys 118 dollars
Willman Bell well they they're not yeah yeah they they don't exist anymore I
think and this is something like the the parabola of Jesus no this is the real
problem astronomy and this is our fundament of alive
in our religion yes this very correction yes when when Scott is saying something
in opticals he dreamed he had nightmares with the spherical
absolutely yes yes yes things like us and spherical aberrations and yeah
yeah yes and I'm I'm pretty sure yes it's terrible and I finished uh we
we about for this week a new metal
how do you say latte let me I don't know how
the the machine is the name label
yes yeah we have a new one turning yes yes
we have a new one we need to because uh we I have
um for to to work in make the Doms or make a metal parts or focusers
um and another craziness um
we might be using 3D printing there is more manufacturing area yeah
yes I'm um um I'm gonna start to to return to to
make some pieces for to make some experiments and uh
um we can uh retake some projects because uh I like to to every time I
make I love to make uh something Optical surface yes and something that we are
very very excited to receive um the new telescope national graphic
telescopes um because from explore scientific maybe you know
it's got the this brand and I've heard of it yeah yes we've out a quantity of
of explore scientific telescope and this is something that we choose a very small
uh very small uh focal distance uh very short
um with the idea you know for is one of my favorites my favorites uh size of uh
in the four and a half inches mirror um we know that only
um explore scientific have or bracer or a General Optical or hot text or how do
you say that this this manufacturing only they have technology to to make a
very very narrow Parabola because you need a really in a in a this short Focus
so so uh sure the focal racer is five I
think of or 4.7 and we have uh mirrors
from the past from Jingle Optical company that we take a measure with the
full call and they know how to make really really uh parabolic mirror and
really um the difference between the sphere and the parabola the parable is really
interesting but really is an important size
um for us have again um this kind of telescope that is a
first level telescope for maybe you you saw a uh with a living the Stars she
have she made a unbox unbox of of the telescope it's very easy very short tool
and we are really excited to have this kind of telescope like uh uh first
telescope for Christmas or for uh for the kids instead they're very small or
refractors and you have the opportunity to to have like first telescope for a
gift for a kid a telescope that have a um the same uh very sure razor focal
like Maxi shows and this is great because you can put a planetarium camera
with uh today the many planetarium cameras uh like C1
e3305 or uh cwbo uh 2024 have this Sony 290
sensor that work that work really really fast with a this kind of uh focal length
and this is this is uh great because the
idea is is pushed to the people to make astrophotography in a in a shortest time
of maybe an at the lower age
that that ever was impossible to to have to make sorry and this is very
interesting the the and this is all about Optics is is a really is really
the power of the Optics because it's the telescope is very easy it's a tripod
it's a ultimate uh mode I can show you your video and I say
to Maxi and Adrian that Levy have a video
unboxing the this telescope the national horrific telescope Scott
ah nice it's very depressional because you have
a maybe 19 uh money magnification from
19 to 120 and the people sometimes say
only 19 times and we say yes it's great
because it's sure we have a very very wide field of view oh yeah and you can understand where the things are and you
can see everything in this part of the sky right yeah many people that think about
telescopes think especially beginners they think of as just as a magnification machine right they don't understand the
real power is the light Gathering Power and the resolving power you know yes yes
absolutely and now now it is not uh actually it's not whole the first level
Periscope or or Aspire or departments department store telescope are selling
but in the 90s in the first time of the 18th the telescope put in their boxes
one thousand Powers yes I remember yeah
yes when I'm a child yeah that's illness that's illegal in some uh some country
to do that kind of yeah it was how you it was how you sold telescope yeah
that's how you sold toy telescopes anyways yeah you did you didn't explain the fact that
you wouldn't be able to see anything at all but it's a thousandth power yeah
can't focus but it's a thousand power yeah just deal with it you shoot at the moon
and you can barely see craters but it's a thousandth power right yeah yeah you could see you could your
imagination will fill in all of the details absolutely
come on I remember how many times I removed the solar filter
from the boxes I'm put in the trash because yes
13 is importing in 1990 oh my God
in only in in only five days more I'll I'll be
uh get 30 years in sarako company this is Tracy because I start to
remember that we start to import I am optician especially but my my
specialization from my teenage time and I understood the part of instrumental
opticals in my secondary and my technique my technical improvements
and when we start to receive the telescope from the importation from
Japan we uh they only me understood the things
about Optics you know instrument in instruments and I say what's this
solar filter for what for to put in the eyepiece it's crazy
if you're tired of seeing things in the world try this solar eye piece and see
if you can find Corona of the sun and the people and the people uh told me where is the the solar
filter no I'm sorry I put in the trash I don't sell you with that because it's
forbidden yeah yeah I wouldn't want your eyesight I wouldn't want one of your eyes to get a permanent burn I almost
had that happen I had a solar filter that was um
starting to come apart I'm looking at the sun through the filter and all of a sudden the light just starts to get
bright and I go this isn't what's going on and I pull my eyes away because I'm like
wait that it felt like I was the eyes were beginning to get shot up with the lasers I looked and I saw that the
filter material had begun peeling off of the side oh my God so half of the you
really gotta check yeah I yeah I think I I think it's gone now it's no longer but
it yeah one side of the sun was still black you could still see the one side
and the other side was just blinding is becoming blinding and I
pulled it it's like I had to realize what was going on something's wrong pull just
pull the eye away yeah and then I look up and I realize that's because the filter and you were lucky yeah yeah I
that yeah I think I just don't have that even though you try to pull away it's already too late you know so yeah it was
Uh something's going wrong it probably I probably pulled away in under a second
but I just remember the whole thing as if it was happening in slow motion oh my God you know I I
did an experiment when I evolved a a bother solar filter
and I think I thought a few months ago but it's
very good to remind it because it's very dangerous to put your eye you know I was
trying to to do some a sunspot I don't remember it was in April and and well I
I was getting hidden because I was outside I tried to with the cell phone
and everything no sorry not about the software with a welcome it was uh and you know I I gave up I
turned a of the computer and everything but
I don't know I removed the the solar filter
I don't know it was but I didn't realize it was still important to the Sun
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the camera I put off and then start to get smoker
yes yes yes oh geez I put the the tape
inside of the scope because I thought that I was you know pointing to another
place or a turning off the the mound but you had great you had great solar
tracking unfortunately yeah yeah good the camera survived but
uh it burned a little plastic a plastic
yes in the borders maybe yeah absolutely and it wasn't like
three seconds that's absolutely Maxi you don't have an idea that how many
eyepieces I need to to repair from our
customers then they they enjoy they don't tell me the truth that they point
to this to the Sun Crosshair
Corsair borders of of the eyepieces or blow up
the glass because sometimes the the the fill the fill lenses of the eyepiece
explode with the with the the hips yes
very very wrong that's okay but I it's like your story describes why the
astronomical league has to say in bold letters please do not look at the Sun
absolutely it's you know the during the solar eclipse a lot of people wouldn't
look at it when the moon covered it and I didn't blame them I was kind of glad
for those folks that I had I ended up getting a view of it on my iPhone with
an adapter as my telescope was tracking it so I just hit record for my iPhone
and um and I and people were watching that
instead of the actual event they were looking down on my iPhone and watching if they felt it was a safer thing and I
said that's fine so there's a you know growing crowd of folks trying to peer in to look at the phone which I don't have
trying to look at a phone's picture and I'm looking up or I'm looking at
you know just trying different things the one thing I didn't do was use binoculars we're gonna fix that for this
in 2024 there will be a pair of binoculars with me and I may just hand
hold a couple of the uh shots and just to say I have it and just try and look
and enjoy or if I if I decide to I'll set something up to work automatically
and enjoy the eclipse while the gears if you
can do that Adrian I would definitely recommend that because uh many people who photograph an eclipse
miss the whole experience of it you know because they're focused on the gear and changing you know moving filters and
putting filters on two equipments you know the Newtonian
with the aq5 and then the Maxwell to try to do with the cell phone and a
little mount and when I I well first of all I put the camera to
the Newtonian and everything and point to the sun okay that's it started to to move it but when I finished the another
amount I realized oh my God it's starting the the sun eclipse it was the
the very orange ball has started I want to do all the clips
and now I say okay let's I forgot forget that that's it that's on
it yeah I had hunted on the plan to record because I thought I'd gonna miss it it looked like I knocked the
telescope offline but then as I look up and I look back down on my phone and
there it is the image of the eclipse and I go oh I I got it I didn't think I was
going to have it I started recording and I recorded all of us screaming like crazy just just screaming in the the
exclamations the oh my gods so it's uh
yeah I'm trying to Fashion this into a tellable joke
um the difference when you have those that are uh very religious and we're seeing the
eclipse you hear a lot of exclamations oh my God um if you're not religious you hear
something else with God in it it's uh it's coming from the same
emotions from both sides yeah it's
um yeah it almost doesn't matter you just don't matter yeah it's an amazing it is
amazing life-changing experience it pulls it pulls the real you out
there's it's one of those things win much better oh of course yeah you've
got oh you've got it you know to your talk uh Scott astronomy there's I've
counted a few things that you know catch people off guard and it's like they
suddenly become themselves seeing Saturn for the first time that's right makes
them seeing the Milky Way when you're in a dark site and seeing that band in the
sky it's like wow and I heard it at Okie tech there are a lot of people going oh
wow and as it was getting brighter and brighter the core of the Milky Way and
just the responses people are saying like wow look at that um it was kind of shades of the eclipse
the eclipses create the wow effect and Aurora create
a bit of a wow effect too people will say wow look at that yeah some kind of way they they touchable effect you know
or visually affect a that then when they see that they start to
uh to recognize what it means to you
know uh yeah the distance where you are the perspective
and and then start to understand what is all that it's it's one of the few things
that uh I think there was probably a rise in astronomy club memberships and
things because we we've been we're going through kind of an era where you have
covet and there's a lot of people that simply don't believe maybe they are beginning to believe as it affects their
families but you had this tug of war back and forth between what science is
and what it isn't but all the time astronomy has had
it it there's a growth in astronomy it's almost as if people were reaching for something that's real that's right
um you know they you can look at the night sky and that stars there and you know these objects are there and you put
it in the telescope and you demonstrate um that to tell all the telescope's
doing is magnifying what you're seeing so someone says oh that's just a picture well you point to telescopes okay you
you see that leaf over there that tree all right and now look through the telescope it's like oh it just made it a
lot closer well we pointed at the sky all it's doing is making that stuff a
lot closer that stuff's real too sure and it um yeah the uh I've had a lot of
people um it don't you just feel small when you're looking at that and I go I feel
like I'm a part of it it's uh yeah I part of the transformation I think yeah
places you go from this because you've got this kind of you know people walk around with this construct
all the time that they they think that they think that their bills and their home and and their way you know all the
stuff that they see on the news and you know political controversies or whatever they think that's the real world yeah
that is
and your thumb as tightly as you can that's how small that is absolutely
depending on where you are that's right yeah and it's yeah oh you know Awakening
people up to just sort of you know broadening broadening your horizons I think that's I think you were spot on
about what it does to you is do you the perspective of saying you know these
issues that I have will soon pass I mean it's like everything else that's right
on on the pale blue dot and it you know regardless of
if you feel if you're still listening to us out there and you know and you go to
a church and you've explained that it's God behind all of it or
you don't and I you know I always kind of make the distinction it almost doesn't matter when you look at it from
the perspective the amazing thing is that you know we as a species have been able to
figure out all of these things from our home planet that's the you know we say that we're
small but yet again we were able to do this and you know and figure all of
these things out so we're maybe not so small if you look at it as an entire
Humanity thing if you if you say well those are just scientists and you know
things like that they're not part of the human race or yeah or it's it's well the
yes that kind of starts to dissolve yeah we saw a lot of that you saw Flat Earth Theory come back in force and the theme
that I kept hearing was NASA is lying to you is what you kept
hearing and it struck me as to say you know it whether that you you can make up
some math or make it look like you're smart to say the Earth is truly flat it
seems to me the big problem is the respect for authority is dwindled and
it's something that we need to regain so it may not be a stretch to say well
let's start with a sky that's unchanging and unmoving no matter what you can say about what's up
there it comes back it keeps repeating there are people that can show you that can point to Something in the telescope
night after night except in Michigan where it's always cloudy they can point to it night after night and it shows up
again and you'd be go okay how far away is it that's uh let's see Orion Nebula some
1400 light years or thousand light years I
forget the exact number it's far enough away that it you can't get to it in a
plane and sometimes figuring out how to relate
what's in space what they're seeing to their own lives that's the challenge of
Outreach um I go with the zodiac sign some folks are interested in you know their zodiac
sign and if it happens to be in the summer and you were born in you know you
were born in November Scorpius is up you know Sagittarius if
if you know if you if you have a December sign I always like pointing it out from some people start to make the
connection yeah if you're seven years old if you're 49 years old yeah it's
like that's your sign right there yeah and I've got wow really and again people
become their real selves when you you point something out and it's oh I never it's like all of a sudden you're
connected with all of you guys are you know interpret
the sky um The Interpreter has a very very special role and kind of you know
helping somebody kind of cross that bridge okay whether you're using astrology or you know you're talking
about in terms of maybe religious or you know through uh you know uh science or
whatever it's I think it's important that The Interpreter is very sensitive to who they have who they're working
with you know so absolutely you know and and uh so if I have someone that is
um uh you know really focused on their religion uh you know I use that uh to
talk about the miraculous things and I I will say you know it's miraculous and that
fascinates with them they go yeah it's America yeah exactly they have um you have the Catholic you have the Catholic
church that has a as an observatory I think most we know of uh brother guy
councilmania who's you know the head of the observatory and um one thing that we like to say you
know where our you know our faith you know maybe in God for things but we
don't deny the fact that we're made we're made to Stardust right you go to
brother guy and you'll say that's absolutely correct you know you won't hear there are many that would just say
you know we were you know we're put here by God and and I'll say well actually
your parents had a real big they had a big role of that yeah you know and in
the DNA and yeah but but you know you start really getting down into it and
still scientists don't have a good explanation of what energy is okay they don't know exactly what
gravity is okay they can tell you effects from it okay but and you know
and as we try to figure out uh things like uh the expansion of the universe
and running you know there's like say running the the film backwards you know well okay if everything's expanding it's
going back down to a point and that somehow started with a the Big Bang but
what became a big bang why did the big bang happen why you know these yeah why you know and it's you start running
up against a wall okay of uh things that yeah I had a good explanation yet so
yeah so for many it's just comforting if they if you feel well it was God and
that's that's the the path we take but your scientific mind says well I still
want to know I still yeah yeah the the belief is yeah you know
dad works through physics then you can it's one of the toughest things to do to combine you know you
take religion and you take uh science you know and you know can both
learn from each other you know we still you know we have a lot of sticks in the
ground on both sides to do Outreach too and navigating the two can be tough but
I think it's very worthwhile because either way our appreciation for where we
live the home all of the things that you had in your presentation Scott I mean that it's why these Global I think these
Global star parties are well attended no matter what the background is and
um oh there's a Cesar Bertrand Russell
you know the most the most Adrian the most fun thing is that we have the Bible
we have a Bible and beside the Bible is this book in my Bible yeah
it's a mix of yeah yes there's
um yeah and then the opposite side there's
someone that Neil deGrasse Tyson interviewed uh and I forget his name who's
you know they had a recent discussion about science and um now he's you know
he's the opposite of God but you could still learn there's things you learn from that side
and it's like this is the whole goal of all of these sides is to understand our place and to
do that you have to get rid of a little bit of your account you have to get out of your comfort zone a bit you have to
say okay I'm you know I got out of my comfort zone there were no Stakes for uh
two or three weeks and the results were pretty good now the stakes are back and I'm sure I'll fill more of the screen as
the uh as the months come in in 2022 but it's uh you could have your comfort zone
and you're willing to learn then you add things it your perspective
changes um if you pray you still continue to pray but you
you begin to relate to more people relate to humanity it's actually
supposed to be it's a confessible thing to skip Mass because
the Commandment of being together with people you know joining with people was is
something that the church looks um looks for all of us to do so um right that's
you know it you can take the um just wanting to get together and you can
take what part of the reason of the Revolt of um with covet all around the world is
the fact that people were being asked to keep a distance and for a lot of folks that's just no
it's relating to people that is so very important to right quality of life
that's right so that that's because during covet in in this recent expansion
that we've seen in a membership in astronomy clubs and people being
interested in what's going on I think a lot of people were just like locked down at home and they went into
their backyards at night and they go wow yeah and it provided they got this
sacred feeling okay they got this sacred feeling all right and so that's
something very difficult to put your finger on okay but it's exactly definitely there okay and so you can
understand why um you can understand why with that all
the different religions happened okay still are going on you know and it's just you know they are lenses on looking
on who we are where we came from you know these kinds of things and for a lot
of people uh you know the religion uh formalized religion is a wonderful thing
because uh it made their life better they they could they could understand
how they've been structure okay yeah right they weren't destroying themselves anymore right and yeah those things gave
them structure I'm all for that AP structured too
actually so yeah yeah structure yeah me too but you know and I think it let you
know a lot of things led to you know looking up into the stars and
getting you know understanding that there's something special there and being able to photograph it you know in
the context of Earth or just by itself um it's one thing with astrophotography
I see a lot of gear and a lot of uh look at how my Pro you know a lot of talking
about the process and you end up with an image like I have on my background the
Orion you know Ryan nebula and the Running Man which I tried to get for a
few years with meager equipment then one long two-minute exposure and it pops
out um in fact I'll share the uh
this image is a uh it's a good example of just
all I did was take a two minute image and do some processing and I ended up
with this shot and
what I like about it you can get a lot of beautiful Renditions of this region
of Orion's sword um there are a lot of beautiful Renditions what this did for me though
was in a two minute time span I was able to
shoot the Orion Nebula and have it hanging out in space you've got I've all
of this area and there's actually more here which a lot of people tease out in
the image and so you have this all this nebulosity here but
this is this is hanging out in space it's as big as this is across light
years across and so many light years away yeah it's still small compared to the
size of the universe as a whole it's you know they're still and then here are these streaks
which you know they're we're looking at this from Earth and
these streaks are part of the picture these are satellites geosynchronous satellites maybe uh meteor here there
depends on you know if the streak is getting brighter but like here you've got a bunch of them
um you know the whole thing is still whole thing is still interconnected we're able
to peer out into space and see this you know with modest equipment
so Adrian I think that is that is like you to you took a picture from the
bottom of a lake that's our hair our Atmos our
air that we rate yeah and and the satellitize our boats over the surface
uh and this is the the same and another things are so far far and it's it's
incredible that uh we are in uh when we uh What uh uh to our our heads and uh
it's we are in in the in the bottom of a lake that is our air and
um we are watching uh we are watching time especially that yeah mostly
we are what a history it's incredible because yeah yeah The Saturdays are to
our Le they are like boats uh uh sailing
in the over the surface of yeah our atmosphere they actually sailed over that surface
so magic about absolutely three uh something for ten thousand light years
ago
I am going to go ahead and take off um I enjoyed chatting you all my friends
Scott I still gotta ask you about the trackers from explore scientific I'd
love to pick one up and start Imaging using it I
have no problem doing that and I would love to try it out and see what it'll do so I'll uh I'll hit the website and see
if I can find it before you before you go I want to show some pictures that I
took a couple weeks ago okay some some place go ahead so go ahead and show a
couple I'm it is 2 A.M where you are so it's even later
for you and Cesar when I am it's one hour I I
keep thinking it's two all right I think we're about to enter daylight savings time again as always if I could recreate that
picture I would be very happy very happy yes what sorry uh this is right now here uh
you know it's the ASR Crux is right Orion is upside down
exactly it's upside down yes for us it's right side up for you that is how Ryan
just is that's how Taurus just is this is a video
yep we the dog is drawn upside down yeah you
can see serious and you can see cannabis not far from it yes you can't
go far south enough yep seriously seriously
well uh parts of well I I think was before the
another GSP I was a outside on my bike here and I started to practice to this a
southern place and I started to be here in this particularly
a open cluster Stars and this is called a
NGC 2547 beautiful and this is what I took
oh nice it was only 10 pictures only
and still really nice that's still nicely done look at that which what size was that Maxi no it was with the eight
inches 533 and
you know I was uh trying to see and comparing with a stellarium
I think you got most of them you know you can see these two stars
above and it was kind of there
because you can see these two stars yeah and the brightness way down in your
frame so basically it's completely in the nails place
um well I have too many places to be to to practice but I have like pollution I
this is only a color camera and I was trying to you know uh
practicing with the dancing heading and you know it's
size and fits really really good in this
with this equipment but I only got this kind of place and gave up and I say okay
I had to try this with maybe too many too much hours yeah
with the farm area so I also saw this place this this is a
star this is a v341 Karina or hip well
three h h three four yeah but
I saw this kind of oh yeah oh this is another net
velocity yeah I I pointed and you're all gonna be my targets when I go to
Argentina yeah I'm trying to get the it wasn't a very
with this kind of shape but I am I did I didn't no no I I didn't I also gave up
but I wanted for the next for the next one yeah so I because I have too many places to
to yeah and then I went to this place
uh it's here this is the pen nebula or
pencil yeah it's um look at that it's a very strange shape
very strange and yes and it's not easy easy target but with your sky and your
telescope you can you can do it well I did no sorry it was this
no it was 10 or pictures of three minutes and pollution an area without
filters and and you can repeat you can repeat with filter with UHC filter and
you you have more opportunity to yeah probably because it's a reflection nebula so yeah yeah I I can get some
info um yeah you got a little data out of it it's nice yeah yeah look at the focus on
your stars I mean that's just no yes and maybe these guys put a hover uh yeah a
pilot and everything yeah yes yes you know you got you got yeah I mean you
got something which is structure of it so that's yeah that's yeah I got the pencil I got some kind of attention yeah
yeah it looks like a good uh looks like the next time maybe next Global Star
Party you'll have to share some of that with the yeah you know with the bigger crowd yeah
one of uh next week at this time yeah yeah yes definitely yeah all right
gentlemen yeah I am gonna have to call it yeah yeah he's trying to call it yeah
so Maxi save all these do you have too many places you must save them so we can
see them the next Global star party I I remember next Global star party is about
72. the inspiration of Carl Sagan okay excellent Tuesday uh November 9th is his
birthday okay mine was November 8th so I was born a day before
oh excellent yeah actually today is the the birthday of my fiance so all right
so okay to her all these numbers all right well Jim all right thank you
again sir and honor knowing you all the audience thank you yeah we will uh we
will do this again next Global star party I will find my one whether it's after bowling or not yep
okay all right thank you all righty get better Maxie I know that you yeah well
good night to everyone smiling now because of the guys
yeah you haven't heard him sniff for uh you know the last 30.
yeah it's true yeah he's not right here transformed right in front of our very
eyes yep so we just believe he's gonna start hacking away again all right wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait what you told me
okay tell sister what you told me what did I tell you what they uh that they'll
go to to trivial koi yes maybe maybe
before the end of the year Maxi I can go to to visit you of course of course
prepare the Asado yes there's a barbecue
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yes yes no problem yes all right I I can I can make that
next month maybe all right yes before the 8th of December
yeah okay maybe okay well
yeah and you know he needs Scott for your Global star parties you need a DJ that's gonna play opposing Time closing
time we'll go to another Global star party
afterwards we need a alarm to say stop the Safari close I could just plug and
that's it you know yeah because if not we can still talking at 4
00 a.m yeah that's true I know you could I know that maybe more
bye bye
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